2012 NHL Trade Deadline: Regier's Deadline Tendencies
As the February 27th trade deadline approaches, what types of moves the Sabres should make hasn't become much clearer. If the Sabres win their next 3 games and close the gap on a playoff position, what can we expect Darcy to do? Will he let the impending UFAs remain, or will he sell to improve the team in the future? To gain insight into what types of moves to expect, I've looked through all of Regier's post-lockout moves to attempt to identify his trading tendencies.
After the jump, we'll take a look at all of the deadline moves and then discuss the patterns.
2011
Deals: 2nd round pick for Brad Boyes.
UFAs Not Traded: Connolly, Niedermayer, Montador, McCormick, Grier
Deadline Standings: 9th place with 21 games remaining, 5 points out, 3 games in hand
2010
Deals: Nathan Paetsch and 2nd round pick for Raffi Torres
Clarke MacArthur for 3rd round pick and 4th round pick
UFAs Not Traded: Tallinder, Lydman, Mair, Ellis
Deadline Standings: 5th place with 21 games remaining
2009
Deals: 4th round pick for Mikael Tellqvist
2nd round pick for Dominic Moore
Ales Kotalik for 2nd round pick
Signed impending UFA Tim Connolly to 2 year extension
UFAs Not Traded: Afinogenov, Numminen, Spacek, Ellis, Peters
Deadline Standings: 10th place with 19 games remaining, 3 points out, 2 games in hand
2008
Deals: Brian Campbell and 7th round pick for Steve Bernier and 1st round pick
UFAs Not Traded: Kalinin
Deadline Standings: 8th place with 19 games remaining
2007
Deals: Martin Biron for 2nd round pick
5th round pick for Ty Conklin
Jiri Novotny and 1st round pick for Dainius Zubrus and Timo Helbling
4th round pick for Mikko Lehtonen
UFAs Not Traded: Briere, Drury
Deadline Standings: 1st place with 20 games remaining
2006
Deals: Mika Noronen for a 2nd round pick
UFAs Not Traded: McKee, Grier, Dumont, Fitzpatrick
Deadline Standings: 4th place with 22 games remaining
Darcy focuses more on the quality of the deal than on the team's current position. For teams that were in playoff position, he has sold players when he received more than they were worth. In 2007, with a very competitive team, Darcy traded away Martin Biron. Although holding onto Biron what have helped the Sabres in 2007, he knew they would not resign him at the end of the season. A 2nd round pick was sufficient for the backup goalie. Similarly, in 2008, he traded impending UFA Brian Campbell from a team that was in playoff position on deadline day for a 1st round pick and Steve Bernier, who was under contract for another season. Knowing that Campbell would not return to Buffalo the following season, Darcy only needed to receive compensation for what Campbell would have contributed for the rest of the season.
The Sabres are not willing to mortgage the future just to make the playoffs. The only time the Sabres traded a 1st round pick was when the team was in first place in 2007; this trade was to help put together all of the cup pieces rather than to make the playoffs. With less competitive teams in 2009, 2010, and 2011, Regier parted with a 2nd round pick to make a playoff push or improve the team's likelihood to make it an extra round. Boyes, Torres, and Moore all made marginal contributions to the team, but did not make the team a cup contender. Winning a cup is worth a top pick, but the extra playoff revenues without a legitimate chance to win the cup are only worth lower draft picks.
Upcoming UFAs not in the Sabres long term future are traded if there is a suitor for them. Paetsch, MacArthur and Kotalik were all traded away on past deadline days. In 2009, the Sabres signed Connolly to a 2 year extension, ensuring that he was in their long term future.
UFAs that the Sabres would like to resign and can contribute down the stretch are kept if these factors outweigh what's offered for them. Campbell was shipped because the Sabres knew he wasn't coming back, but the Sabres kept Briere, Drury, Tallinder, Lydman, and Connolly in the last year of their contracts because they were important pieces of playoff teams and because the Sabres were attempting to resign them.
Regier did not trade any player with time left in his contract over this time period. As most of these years were with tight ownership, Regier may have felt it necessary to keep all of his pieces together because he felt uncomfortable relying on free agency to replace someone. Further, he did not need to free cap space in these years, while he could use it moving forward.
With Pegula as the owner, the Sabres are able to approach the deadline differently, but the trends will likely continue.The Pegula era Sabres have shown a willingness to take on overpriced contracts to improve the team slightly. Additionally, the Sabres can now afford to take more risks of losing players to free agency for nothing because they have the ability to buy talent instead of relying on the draft as they used to. If the Sabres attempt to make a push into the playoffs (unlikely, but possible if they win all 3 of their remaining games before the deadline), expect them to trade no more than a 2nd round pick and a 4th line player for a marginal player in return. Any of the core players with time left on their contracts will likely not be traded unless the Sabres receive a very large return or if they need cap space for a large rebuilding effort. Given how much the Sabres spent on free agents last season, would they be able to replace Roy or Stafford at a lower cost? With a slim chance of making the playoffs, unless the Sabres want Gaustad, Hecht, or Boyes back at the end of the season, they could be traded for little in return. Although the Sabres could withstand losing them for nothing at the end of the year, these players aren't that important for a playoff push and the team already knows if they would like to resign them.
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Man I wish
we would have kept Moore.
flayed ones stealth mode
"Fleshling! Do not shoot! For I am one of you fleshy things. It is I. Your Uncle Stan. Can't you tell by the long strips of fleshy substances covered in bodily fluids? Trust me! I have fleeeeeeeeesh."
I’m sorry but I can’t tell if that was a joke or not. Of all the players we’ve let go, Dominic Moore would be among the last on my list that I wish we could have back. He’s been on about four teams in three years, and sits right now with twenty points and is a minus ten.
I was more thinking of the fact
TB got a second rounder out of him. Be a nice trade chip, this season.
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I hate my brain
It struggles to want to fold. I see the numbers, we aren’t really that far out of it. I’ve seen the two-heads on the monster of this team. Only 7 points out, but also a terrible ROW number.
I want to be able to say tank, I want to get rid of expiring contracts for pieces to be used in a real run in the future, I like the WGR article about giving some of the guys like Turnbull, Tropp and Schiestel a shot just to see what you have.
And then… we’re only 7 points out, 23 games left. I saw the team find lightning in a bottle last year, so why don’t you try to push for the playoffs.
Please, someone help me. I need to get off this rollercoaster!
I fight with psychological warfare, I made her a Sabres fan…
I think maybe they can do a little of both. The only issue is having no pre-planning to TC leaving town last offseason so they are stuck needing to get a pretty good center if they want to move Roy. That alone is handcuffing them.
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by bluecollarbuffalo on Feb 20, 2012 11:36 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Just watch some Youtube videos of Mikhail Grigorenko.
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by Ogre39666 on Feb 20, 2012 3:15 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Grigorenko vs. Galchenyuk
Out of curiosity – why do you like Grigorenko over Galchenyuk? I don’t have strong feelings myself but I’ve heard the arguments on both sides.
With Grigorenko I've heard comparisons to Thornton, but honestly I see a lot of Malkin in the way he plays.
The Thornton comp is easy because of the obvious distribution skills he has (which would be really nice on a line with Vanek) but there’s something about the way he carries the puck that reminds me of Malkin. He could become a triple threat – passing, shooting, and puck possession.
Galchenyuk seems to be more of a shooter in the Kovalchuk mold. My impression of him is much more uni-dimensional.
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Thanks
I don’t know much, if anything, about any of these prospect. I did read that Galchenyuk tore his ACL and had surgery in October. That might give some teams pause, but he’s young and the dreaded ACL tear isnt nearly as bad to recover from as it used to be. That being said, I did watch some Grigorenko videos and damn…that kid is smooth. It’ll be interesting to see where we wind up in the draft.
by buffaloparks on Feb 20, 2012 10:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah the ACL injury is what lead to his "Limited Viewing" label on the midterm rankings.
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I’m assuming you mean post-lockout instead of post-deadline? Because I actually think early in his tenure, he was awesome at the deadline. If he doesn’t recapture some of that magic from early in his GM career, this should be his last deadline day for the Sabres.
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by bluecollarbuffalo on Feb 20, 2012 11:35 AM EST reply actions
There are some true stinkers in the recent part of the list. Moore, Torres, MacArthur, Tellqvist, Zubrus…lots of them. The only truly good deal in this list is somehow getting a second rounder for Noronen.
"I could have conquered Europe, all of it, but I had women in my life." - King Henry II of England
A GM shouldn’t have to rob another one in order for it to be considered a “good” deal. Of the deals you listed the only one I would I would call “bad” would be the Zubrus deal just because they gave up a 1st rounder – but even then, when you’re in 1st and looking to make a deep playoff run, giving up a 1st for a depth guy is not the worst thing in the world.
by Frank Reich Revolution on Feb 20, 2012 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
A good deal is one where both teams are improved afterwards. A bad deal is one where the balance in what is gained as compared to what is lost is grossly unequal. All of the trades I mentioned were ones where one of the teams (most often the Sabres) gained very little compared to what the other team got. Moore, Torres, Tellqvist and Zubrus, during their time in Buffalo, were little more than AHL-caliber players given ice time and who only played for the team for two months. Even though the Sabres were the beneficiary of the Noronen deal, it was still a bad trade because we received more than we sent away in value. Time will certainly tell on the MacArthur trade but CMac’s performance in Toronto certainly made Regier look foolish,
Ned’s right. Earlier in his career as GM, Regier was able to consistently make lopsided deals where the Sabres were the beneficiaries. That simply isn’t happening anymore.
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by Calvert on Feb 20, 2012 12:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
1. Moore was a rental who was traded for a 2nd round pick. Most 2nd round picks do not make it to the NHL.
2. Getting Torres for Paetch and a 2nd wasn’t bad. Torres sucked for us but at least he’s an NHLer and was a low-risk rental anyways, Paetch is playing in Germany.
3. C-Mac for a 3rd and 4th was a bad trade, agreed. However, Regier may have gotten lucky with this one as that 3rd round pick turned into Jerome Gauthier-Leduc, who currently leads all CHL d-men in scoring.
4. Tellqvist was for a 4th round pick! Who the hell cares about a 4th rounder?
5. I’ve already stated my opinion on the Zubrus trade but again, when you’re in 1st place heading into the playoffs you do things like that. There’s no gurantee a late 1st rounder even makes it to the NHL.
In retrospect these moves were too low-risk and insignificant to be considered bad.
by Frank Reich Revolution on Feb 20, 2012 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
But at the same time that the Sabres acquired Moore from Toronto for a second rounder, the Rangers acquired Nik Antropov from the Leafs for the same price and Antropov is a radically more valuable player.
"I could have conquered Europe, all of it, but I had women in my life." - King Henry II of England
Well, good for the Rangers. Their “good” deal doesn’t make Regier’s insignificant deal bad. Also, Antropov played 25 games with the Rangers and then left in free agency, it’s not like they got much value from him.
by Frank Reich Revolution on Feb 20, 2012 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
MacArthur never would have seen top-2 line minutes here.
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Yes, but he’s been GM since WAY before that. So, I think the article meant to say it was taking a look at his post-lockout deals. I agree, since the lockout he’s been lame.
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by bluecollarbuffalo on Feb 20, 2012 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks, I did mean post-lockout. The Wilson for Warrener and a 5th round pick (Miller) trade was great.
Even without that pick turning into Miller, this is probably one of Regier’s best trades.
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Getting Dumont thrown in to the Grosek trade was OK too
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by bluecollarbuffalo on Feb 20, 2012 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
into….don’t want the typo police freaking out.
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by bluecollarbuffalo on Feb 20, 2012 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
Factor Lindy in
Those bad deals for guys like Zubrus and Torres were not bad deals by Regier but in fact a failure of Lindy Ruff. Those two players were successful before and after their stint in Buffalo. I think the Sabres are sellers, if for the only reason, is to provide themselves cap relief for future moves
Sellers
The Sabres will be seller at the trade deadline or, alternately, do nothing. I believe Regier will try to get some draft choices for the UFAs. If he can’t unload them before the draft deadline he will likely do nothing and unload them this summer. I think Regier is happy with the team the way it is currently staffed. Once the UFAs are gone, he will replace them with Kassain and perhaps Adam and Foligno.
For those who think Regier is going to trade Miller, I say you are delusional. Regier would be fool to trade a world class goalie no matter what the deal. You just can replace a goalie of Miller’s ability. It is a moot point, however, because it ain’t gonna happen! Nor should it happen.
Who are you...
…and what have you done with Geo?
I actually agree with something you said. Somebody check my brain.
by Binthet on Feb 20, 2012 1:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Gaustad
What do you guys make of the report on WGR that Regier had a long conversation with Gaustad before the game Sunday?
I will be very surprised if Goose is still in the Blue-n-Gold (make Green) in March. He seems to be the only UFA on the team worth anything.
If they do rent him out, I would like to see Buffalo try to get him back in the off season.
Stafford/ Roy
Is there actually a GM out there willing to pay a decent price for either or both of them? Maybe package one or both with Gaustad. It depends what we could get for them. Not much, likely.
Robyn Regehr
Hey everyone, I’m not a Buffalo fan (have nothing against them) but I am a huge Regehr fan. With all this trade talk of Buffalo moving pieces I was wondering A) Do you think he will be traded or shopped before the deadline and B) What do think the asking price for him is?
Thanks, and keep up the good work!
It’d be pretty steep I’d think. Regehr has been one of their best defensemen this year and they had the whole owner going out to his cabin in rural Saskatchewan to convince him to waive his no trade clause. If Regehr really wanted out and if the deal was right would be the only way I could see this happening.
Regehr has been a bright spot this year
and he’s a reliable veteran on an otherwise inexperienced d core that still has time left on his contract. He’s not going anywhere unless he wants out.
by lgbfromoregon on Feb 20, 2012 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
Regehr is a long-term piece on this team (well at least until his contract expires after 12/13).
Plus when you consider the lengths they went to convince him to come in the first place (Pegula flew out to Calgary to convince him to waiver his NTC) I doubt they turn around and trade him 8 or so months later.
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Leopold
He should be the #1 candidate to be sold. Regeir needs to clear cap space for off season acquistions and Leo is easily replaced next year by whichever one of Grags, McNabb, Brennan, and Schiestel decides that he’s ready to be a full time player. The odds are very high that at least one of these guys will be able to fill Leo’s shoes next year, or maybe even Pysyk or JLC will turn some heads in camp (improbably but not impossible). If any of these young defensemen hit their potential next year, clearing out Leo gives you more cap room while arguably improving the d core, and that doesn’t even take into account what you can get into return, which could be something like a 2nd or 3rd pick and a prospect.
I would rather do the reverse and trade a couple of the prospects for a solid veteran D-man. I think a lack of experience on the blueline really hurt them this year, especially when the injuries were piling up. Another right-handed shot back there would probably help too.
by Frank Reich Revolution on Feb 20, 2012 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
Well, going by just the above list
It seems Darcy has two “tendencies”:
1. pick up an alleged “diamond in the rough” who makes an impact at the beginning (e.g., Bernier ‘08, Boyes ’11) then disappears – or doesn’t make one at all (e.g., Torres ’10) – and is gone the following Spring
2. stand pat with your impending UFA’s, even the ones that should have been dealt (e.g., Kalinin ‘08, Afinogenov, Spacek ’09, Mair ’10, Connolly, Niedermayer ’11) . . . only to watch some of those SAME UFA’s later walk with no compensation
Thus, if, as the saying goes, “the best indicator of future behavior is past behavior” holds true, in seven days we can look forward to the following:
- Darcy will – if he does anything – pick up another “Bob Corkum” type, because he “believes in the guys in this room”
- Our impending UFAs – Goose, Boyes, Hecht – will remain in Sabres sweaters on Feb. 28 . . . but will be elsewhere Apr. 8
Darcy’s too in love with “the core” to make any major changes now, so if any changes happen, they’ll happen later — any changes, major or minor, that happen in a week will only be because Ted Black gave him the order (and seeing as Black is, from what I read on his bio at the team’s official site, essentially the Sabres’ version of Russ Brandon, I don’t see that happening) . . .
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Russ Brandon
A little harsh to say at this point.
Why would they add anything now? We should be shedding salary. You make it sound like they should make a big trade to make a run.
Russ Brandon
A little harsh to say at this point.
Well, sometimes the truth is.
From the Sabres site:
Prior to his tenure at FSN, Ted was a member of Mario Lemieux’s senior management team and served as Vice President of the Pittsburgh Penguins from 1999 to 2008. Ted was a member of the core group of executives that helped Lemieux execute one of the most successful franchise transformations in the history of professional sports. Ted was intimately involved in all senior executive-level decisions and strategic planning concerning the marketing, branding, sales and overall business operations and management of the team.
[emphasis mine]
After that, as mentioned, he ran FSN Pittsburgh — thus, his experience is long on media management and marketing, a little short on hockey itself.
Why would they add anything now? We should be shedding salary. You make it sound like they should make a big trade to make a run.
Actually, I didn’t say that . . . I said that, going by past experience, we could expect Darcy to do the same thing he does at every trade deadline — namely, nothing, other make a minimal acquisition.
As for us making run, barring a collapse by some other team at the top/middle, the nine points in ten game we got from Jan. 24 – Feb. 10 may have been our run . . .
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yeah...I don't think you really understood what I wrote
Like what ogre said below, the Sabres (unlike the Bills by the way) are usually in a strong enough position that Darcy can get away with adding just a player or two because clearly if the Sabres are in playoff position or close to it, Darcy doesn’t like to screw with things too much. That’s just the way he approaches it, rightly or wrongly. I meant “making a run” as in getting a player to put them over the top in the playoffs, not “making a run” as in winning games.
The comparison with Brandon is pretty laughable except that they both focus on the marketing/business development side of the game. Brandon has not been with another team and was filling the GM role when he had no experience with that side of the game. He was clearly in over his head but it didn’t really matter because Ralph doesn’t really care. Brandon has never worked for another organization, much less one that won a championship while he was there.
Black has been very clear that he is staying out of the hockey side of things. He’s more of a team spokesman/majordomo for Terry Pegula. Someone needs to do that job…I’m not sure if you’re objecting to the fact that there’s someone who fills that role for the Sabres or that you’re saying his tenure is going to be like that of Brandon. If you’re saying the latter, you’re being way too hasty, and I personally think Black is smarter and more accomplished already than Brandon is. There’s really no comparison between the way Buffalo’s respective sports teams are run or thought of by their counterparts.
Actually -
If I remember right, Brandon came from the World Series-winning Florida Marlins to run the Bills ‘regional marketing strategy’ designed to keep butts in the club seats and luxury boxes. The Collins-Flutie-RJ era.
I don’t know much about Black except that he’s made what I think are some bonehead comments, but I do agree wholeheartedly that Brandon was over his head in his quasi-GM role for the Bills. Whether Black is/will be over his head with the Sabes, I have no idea.
As for Darcy, he’s made some nice little moves here or there around the deadline. Has he pulled off a deal that made any kind of positive short-term effect? No, not really. Do I expect him to this year? No. So my guess is I shouldn’t expect much, and I’m fine with that. But one thing that is apparent on the list above are the guys we wound up losing for nothing when we could have gotten some value out of them by moving them/resigning them during the season. I hope some of those moves will be taking place this time around if there are interested buyers.
I don't think the past is that reliable of an indicator in this circumstance.
1) We’ve only been this far down in the standings once before with Darcy as GM, and
2) Darcy has never had fiscal freedom.
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Nash
i had a dream last night that Vanek was the center piece in a trade for Nash. Very Comparable players. Interested?
Keep dreaming
Nash is this year’s Jay Bouwmeester . . . like him, he’s hot FA property . . . like him, there are all kinds of rumors and scenarios as to where he’d fit . . . and, like him, he’ll wind up just staying . . .
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FA Property?
Are you saying Nash is a free agent? Cause he’s signed until 2017-18 @ $7.8M per season.
"If we needed any more motivation to win a Cup sooner than later, we've got one now," Black said. "I really want to listen to the game that RJ calls when he finally gets to shout out, 'Buffalo wins the Stanley Cup.'"
"Do it or Die Trying."
by FloridaBuffalo on Feb 20, 2012 8:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Why would we do that?
The two are very comparable players (when looking at production) but Vanek makes less.
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Hate to say it, and this is personal opinion, but the Sabres are not going to make any major buying moves, at most a 2nd/3rd rounder type addition in an attempt to make the playoffs.
Looks like any major restructuring will only get done in the offseason.
Smile.. tomorrow will be worse
I Don't Think That's a Bad Thing
I doubt the Sabes will make the playoffs, so why buy when you’ve already got yourself an overcrowded roster (if you count the youngsters who played well when up with the big club)? Now is the time to shed personnel, make room for the younger, cheaper guys.
When BFLO is actually in the hunt, in the 6-7-8-9 spot, that’s when we should be buyers. This year, we should be sellers!

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