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Hockey needs to change...

I've lived in Buffalo all of my life. I'm an avid sports fan who fits in the young male demographic that these corporations pine for. However, for some reason, I never gravitated towards hockey. I always played basketball, football, and baseball growing up. I had nothing against the sport. I just didn't find much time for it.

This year I made a serious effort to get into the game by watching as many games as I could. I think, in the past, I must have watched a total of less than 20 NHL games in my life. I know the team and goings on pretty well as I listen to WGR constantly, read the Buffalo News, and listen to a handful of games each year. However, this was the season I was to become a true Sabres fan.

Then you know what happened?

I watched about 10 games before I fully realized that the game (in its current state) sucks. It's painful to watch.

- I love the NBA because watching players like Ricky Rubio is breathtaking. NHL jerseys and helmets make everyone look the same. It's too hard to find where the stars are.

- I can't watch 15 minutes of play where noone scores. In my 10 games, I witnessed waaaaaay too many three goal games. Brutal. Absolutely brutal.

- When teams do score, it usually only comes when it magically bounces off a player or two. To the untrained eye, it almost seems like luck plays a role in 30 to 40 percent of the goals. No thank you.

- I hear way too many times, during intermission, Kevin Selvester or Harry Neal say "The Sabres were lucky to escape that period 0 - 0" or "The Sabres thouroughly outplayed such and such a team in that perioud". What I'm trying to get at is that, more than any other sport (by a country mile) outplaying your opponent doesn't consitute anything on the score sheet.

Something needs to be done as I know hockey can be exciting. I remember watching game 6, I think, of the Sabres v Senators playoff game where Pominville scores the game winner. That was one of the greatest sporting events I've ever seen in my life. If I'm not mistaken the game ended up a 5 - 6 Sabres victory.

I've recently brought these issues up with a few of my friends and they always use the same dumb argument. They say that a 4 - 2 hockey game is the same as a 28 - 14 NFL game.

NO. IT. ISN'T.

In a 4 - 2 NHL game there are about 6 meaningful plays. You guessed it, all six goals. The constant back and forth and shots on net that consitute zero goals are ultimately meaningless. In the NFL a big play at your own 23 yard line is still a big play that ultimately helps your team win. There are tens of "big plays" in the NFL. In the average NHL game there are usually 4 or 5. This sucks.

I just did a little research. Take a look at this...

Number of goals scored in 2010, average NHL game - 5.34

Number of goals scored in 1981, average NHL game - 8.17

How Gary Bettmen allows this type of game to be seen by potential fans is beyond me. He is the worst commisioner in all of pro sports. He needs to be ousted.

This is a fanpost written by a member of the community, it doesn't necessarily express the views or opinions of Die by the Blade

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just a guess

but I bet you find soccer dreadfully boring to watch, unlike the majority of the world. lots of action takes place on hockey between the blue lines- and there’s more meaningful plausible than the goals, such as game changing hits, takeaways, and clutch saves.

It’s ok if you don’t like hockey- not everyone likes every sport.

"You never have to wait long, or look far, to be reminded of how thin the line is between being a hero or a goat."
- Mickey Mantle

by maestro110584 on Jan 5, 2012 8:42 AM EST via Android app reply actions  

plays, not plausible. stupid phone.

"You never have to wait long, or look far, to be reminded of how thin the line is between being a hero or a goat."
- Mickey Mantle

by maestro110584 on Jan 5, 2012 8:43 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

THE ONLY DIFFERENCE...

The “world” grows up playing soccer. Buy a kid a 10 dollar soccer ball and his childhood is filled with pick up games in the street, alleys, fields, lawns etc…

Hockey doesn’t have the luxury due to the fact that the cost of entry is higher than any other sport.

by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Jan 5, 2012 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

Those sticks cost like $9.99 and only last for like 10 years. At that rate, man, it would break any but the richest kid’s bank.

"You never have to wait long, or look far, to be reminded of how thin the line is between being a hero or a goat."
- Mickey Mantle

by maestro110584 on Jan 5, 2012 2:49 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Wrong.

You can more closely associate with high level soccer play than you can high level hockey play due to the fact that such a small portion of people have even skated on ice.

I thought this was common sense.

by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Jan 10, 2012 8:09 PM EST up reply actions  

You didn't say anything about relating to the players.

You said that hockey was too expensive to get started and interested in. It is not. A street hockey ball and stick will run you maybe 20 bucks.

So, WRONG.

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by Ogre39666 on Jan 10, 2012 8:27 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Really?

You don’t see the correlation between relating to something and interest in something? I think that’s covered in Psych101

by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Jan 10, 2012 10:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Nope.

I dig the sport. Much more so than hockey. There aren’t as many glaring holes on the pitch as there are on ice.

by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Jan 11, 2012 12:13 AM EST up reply actions  

goal facts

Game is faster and goalies are better let alone there equipment. Broduer is the last of the stand up goalies. Everything is Butterfly now

Buffalo/ Rochester 2011! Thanks TP!

by thenewhockeytown on Jan 5, 2012 11:15 AM EST reply actions  

Brodeur is a butterfly goalie

I’m not sure where you got this notion. And not all butterfly variations are the same. You can tell this watching Miller and Enroth, two very different goaltending styles yet everyone lumps them all together under one label

by lassathrax on Jan 5, 2012 12:25 PM EST up reply actions  

He's a hybrid goaltender.

He very rarely goes into the full butterfly and even then he doesn’t spread like a full-butterfly goalie does.

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by Ogre39666 on Jan 5, 2012 2:07 PM EST up reply actions  

And how would you know?

You said you never watched much if at all before this year.

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by Ogre39666 on Jan 5, 2012 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

...

I know enough about hockey to know a thing or two about the icon that is Brodeur.

by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Jan 5, 2012 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Where does this come from?

Most intelligent hockey fans agree that Gretzky was a treasure to watch. Guess what, he isn’t scoring 92 goals in todays NHL.

Some people can at least admit that hockey has seen better days. People who stick their head in the sand aren’t helping their sport.

by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Jan 5, 2012 12:52 PM EST up reply actions  

The last thing the NHL needs is NFL and NBA devotees changing it.

[insert joke about Bettman being a former NBA VP here.]

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by Ogre39666 on Jan 5, 2012 2:10 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

If you're not growing...

Your dying.

Baseball is failing for a variety of reasons. Chiefly, it caters to old curmudgeons and doesn’t want to move into the 21st century.

Bettman needs to realize that “die hard hockey fan” is ALWAYS going to be die hard hockey fan. The NHL has them in their pocket. They ain’t going anywhere.

Change the NHL to more of something along the lines of the glory days during the 80s and not this horrible product that we see today.

by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Jan 5, 2012 2:54 PM EST up reply actions  

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glory days during the 80s

You mean the part where guys would hook and hold each other like their lives depended on it? Or the part where players were a pale comparison to the athletes of today? Or the part where the league was dominated by one of two teams?

Outside of two stars generational stars, some glory days.

I think the NBA needs to go back to the days where guys didn’t take 3 to 4 steps between dribbles to drive the lane and defenders took more than a passing interest in stopping someone.

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by Ogre39666 on Jan 5, 2012 4:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Good God

You complain about hooking and holding in the 80s?! Have you seen todays game? lol.

8 goals per game vs 5.5 goals per game. Enough said. This sport is in the gutter.

by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Jan 5, 2012 4:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Goals ≠ quality of play.

How you can logically assume it does is incredible. What if the other team stopped moving and allowed the other guy to stroll into the zone, the goalie had an aneurysm, keeled over, and allowed a goal on an easy, trickling shot. Under your understanding of the game it would be a fantastic, highlight real play when quite clearly it would be maddening display of ineptness.

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by Ogre39666 on Jan 5, 2012 4:29 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

How is baseball failing?

Did you see the world series?

Ryan Miller was the true MVP. See my profile for rant.

by Jsz on Jan 12, 2012 10:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Just out of curiosity...

Every sport has great games as well as duds. Can you tell me what makes up a good hockey game? What is an exciting play? Put it into words as best you can.

by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Jan 7, 2012 2:50 AM EST up reply actions  

A good hockey game can occur in several different ways. Some games are great because of the defensive match-ups or goaltending battles, which usually allow for someone to be a hero. Some games are great physical battles in which teammates stand up for one another after cheapshots or after the referees lose control of the game. Rarely, there will be a game in which excitement comes from a high-scoring duel. I say rarely because usually when this type of game occurs, it is not very exciting. Frustrating, even, that the defense and goaltending cannot get their act together to prevent the other team from keeping up with their offensive production.

An exciting play could be lots of things as well, could be finesse skating around a defenseman toward the net (regardless of goal or save), could be some well-executed passing ending in a scoring opportunity, a thundering open-ice hit, a well-matched fight, an acrobatic save, etc. Exciting plays happen in 99.9% of games, if you can grasp the importance of each aspect of the game.

by lassathrax on Jan 7, 2012 5:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Incorrect

What you see as defense, the majority of viewers see as poor passing and luck.

by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Jan 5, 2012 2:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Then the "majority of viewers" are either

a) too dumb to realize that stopping someone from scoring is just as demanding of skill and talent as scoring is (not to mention important), or
b) not paying attention.

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by Ogre39666 on Jan 5, 2012 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

So it's the NHL's fault you can't congize the fact that stopping your opponent from scoring is just as important as scoring?

Tell me, what does 1-1 equal? You know what, never mind. It equals 0. If you score a goal (or point), but than allow your opponent to score right back, you’re right back where you started from.

And how the NHL can make you focus, I have no idea. All they can do is put the game out there. Maybe they need some shiny colors or a bunch of loud obnoxiousness noises.

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by Ogre39666 on Jan 5, 2012 4:24 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Good God

It’s not watchable.

Your too close to the situation to really see it.

by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Jan 5, 2012 5:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Opinion

is just that, opinion. Don’t make it out to be more.

by lassathrax on Jan 5, 2012 5:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Here's a few ideas...

Smaller goalie pads, larger net, call clutching and grabbing all the time, narrow the blue lines, better interface, market stars better, move the net back 4 feet.

Make it exciting.

by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Jan 5, 2012 5:03 PM EST up reply actions  

ITS JUST SO DAMNED HARD TO FIND IT!

I mean, what are they all looking at and skating toward? ITS LIKE BALLERINAS CHASING FLIES!!!

by lassathrax on Jan 5, 2012 5:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Didn’t they do something like that a few years back, not quite glow in the dark, but put a trail on it or something for the TV audience?

BUT, if the puck glowed in the dark, we could totally do a disco themed night.

"You never have to wait long, or look far, to be reminded of how thin the line is between being a hero or a goat."
- Mickey Mantle

by maestro110584 on Jan 5, 2012 5:44 PM EST up reply actions  

That would be awesome. Glowing uniforms, lines, refs, benches, goals, sticks, equipment, etc. Kaleta could put in glowing contacts. I would love hockey in the dark. Although it wouldn’t be more watchable, so I guess that idea is out of the question (and also why I don’t run a hockey league or team.)

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by bluecollarbuffalo on Jan 5, 2012 6:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree on a few of these. But, for smaller goalie pads, you need to limit some of the stick advancements. The puck is consistently coming at goaltenders faster. I know there were always the Al Iafrates of the world who could rocket them, but guys on average shoot harder.

I’m not sure what better interface means, so I won’t comment.

Moving the net back 4 feet would lead to a ton of dislodged nets, would it not.

They absolutely should go back to calling penalties tight, but teams have gotten around it a little as well. Coaches will always find a way to stop the other team.

Thank you thank you thank you thank you sireric for bringing the furious punching cat back into my life. - poz

by bluecollarbuffalo on Jan 5, 2012 6:49 PM EST up reply actions  

One thing that people are misconstruing...

I don’t hate hockey. I see it’s potential and draw. I see so many aspects that could be good.

I just think it’s obvious that the best hockey occurred in the late 80s and early 90s.

Or what? People that dug that time period weren’t “true” hockey fans and didn’t appreciate “defense”. Give me a break. The product is busted.

by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Jan 5, 2012 3:00 PM EST reply actions  

No, of course not.

But “true” fans of any sport realize that sports evolve. The flow of the game has evolved to speeds that were never seen in the 80’s or 90’s. You hear it all the time from the horses mouth; when alumni players are asked about today’s game, usually the first thing that they remark about is how mush faster the game is – followed by either how much bigger the players are or how the players are all on average much better athletes. Unless your issue is the league protecting its players, the game is just fine.

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by Ogre39666 on Jan 5, 2012 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

The product is not busted

The administration is busted. The NHL is a corrupt league from the very top. It is not quite on the level of Serie A or MLB level corruption but it is rapidly heading in that direction. The league makes far too many decisions about the game itself based on marketing factors. They are creating a “New Original Six” (Bruins, Rangers, Flyers, Caps, Pens and Wings) and the twenty-four lesser teams that the league grudgingly admit exists. The first thing that needs to be done with the NHL is to get rid of the institutionalized bias from the league and for that to happen there has to be a complete replacement of the league administration from the Commissioner on down.

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by Calvert on Jan 8, 2012 5:31 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I could not have said that better.

"We’re gonna win the Stanley Cup. Then, you know what, we’re gonna win it again,"
-Terry Pegula

by bgred105 on Jan 5, 2012 4:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Sorry

You lost me at “trade 2 Jims who like the new but 3 Bobs who miss the old”.

Die hard fans aren’t going anywhere.

by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Jan 5, 2012 4:19 PM EST up reply actions  

But

That’s assuming my Bobs are the die hard fans though. If you wish to insert the literal meaning of the Jims (people who like the game enough now to watch it) and Bobs (people who just don’t like the game enough to watch it anymore) you can.

by VFN FTW on Jan 5, 2012 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Really?

You think by increasing scoring and scoring chances you’re going to lose fans? You think there’s any chance of that?

You people do realize hockey was borderline popular in the early 90s? Now it’s laughed at throughout the entire country except the northeast. It’s basically indoor lacross for the rest of the country.

by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Jan 5, 2012 5:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Minnesota, Vancouver, Chicago, Washington, San Jose, Carolina, hell, even Nashville in last year's playoffs.

Those are all in the North East, right?

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by Ogre39666 on Jan 5, 2012 5:20 PM EST up reply actions  

You can’t reason with someone who holds their own opinions as fact. It’s useless to try.

by lassathrax on Jan 5, 2012 5:31 PM EST up reply actions  

OK.

I just read your post and was mistaken. It’s not a good post. Some time and thought was put into it but the content just isn’t there.

First of all your “research” really doesn’t support anything. Hockey has always struggled as being a niche sport in America since its inception. The only time it flirted with mainstream success was during the late 80’s and early 90’s. Do I honestly need to spell out the correlation to you? Wayne Gretzky and Mario Lemieux were some of the most popular athletes in America. They were right up there with the Berry Sanders, Michael Jordans, and Cal Ripken Jr’s. They reached this acclaim because the layman could clearly see their impact on the game. As I mentioned before, I consider myself an avid sports fan, and even I have to “look for” players like Crosby and Ovechkin in today’s game. Their impact on viewers just isn’t as obvious.

It’s simple really. People like scoring. People like watching dominant players. The NHL is stuck in the mud when it comes to these two aspects in 2012.

Oh and I laugh at the notion that the reason scores were up in that time was due to the fact that forwards were so skilled and goalies were so average. I have a feeling your not too confident on this one either. Sports technology, nutrition, and training has come so far in the past 25 years it’s not even funny. Only a child would say otherwise.

Your last point is also missing the mark. The single biggest deterant of exciting play is that players get engulfed anywhere past the blue lines. There’s simply no room for great players to show their skill. Watch games from different eras. It’s clear to see.

The sport has been “well received” since the lockout? Have you seen nation wide TV ratings over the past 10 years?

by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Jan 5, 2012 5:32 PM EST up reply actions  

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First of all your "research" really doesn’t support anything. Hockey has always struggled as being a niche sport in America since its inception

So then we should be coming to the conclusion that goals/game has no impact on the sport’s popularity and changing it in an effort to increase it would be pointless.

Do I honestly need to spell out the correlation to you? Wayne Gretzky and Mario Lemieux were some of the most popular athletes in America. They were right up there with the Berry Sanders, Michael Jordans, and Cal Ripken Jr’s. They reached this acclaim because the layman could clearly see their impact on the game. As I mentioned before, I consider myself an avid sports fan, and even I have to "look for" players like Crosby and Ovechkin in today’s game. Their impact on viewers just isn’t as obvious.

Or it count point to ESPN, SI, etc. ignoring the sport or you just not paying attention.

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by Ogre39666 on Jan 5, 2012 5:38 PM EST up reply actions  

....

Didn’t read " The only time it flirted with mainstream success…" did you?

Clever girl

by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Jan 5, 2012 5:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Not necessary.

What I was trying to say is that no matter what I said, you would refute it. Ratings have been up the past two years, with Stanley Cup ratings reverting back to mid-90s numbers…but I imagine you would say something that would make that untrue or whatnot. I would enjoy a spirited conversation, but when you call people “girls” or refer to them being “children” for not noticing something so “obvious”, it really is just obnoxious.

In summation, what I was doing was walking away from a discussion that would be a huge waste of time. You need to try to be more cordial, or no one will take you seriously on here.

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by bgred105 on Jan 5, 2012 8:03 PM EST up reply actions  

the problem here is that you think that skilled players need space to show off their skill. doesn’t it take more skill to have to stickhandle and keep the puck along the boards when you are being hounded by a defender. look, I love gretzky, but the truth is that era of the game was ripe for players to skate freely all over the ice, and it was full of end to end action that lead to many many scoring chances. the defense caught up to the game since then and it has thus changed. it is the evolution of the sport and it has changed for the better. more physical, more skill involved. watch more than 10 games before you criticize our sport for not being fun for you to watch. also, try playing hockey once and then tell me that the sport is lacking skill players.
also, if you can’t spot crosby or ovie every time they are on the ice, you aren’t watching very well. I can tell who has the puck without reading jersey numbers. when ovie or sid get the puck you can tell who it is by the jump in their step and the skill in which they skate and handle the puck. try watching with a keener eye.

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by willgarr15 on Jan 6, 2012 6:11 PM EST via Android app up reply actions   1 recs

You’d also need to ban goalies from leaving their feet.

Mike Weber Pressbox Incarceration Status: Free to roam the blueline.
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by Ubiquitous on Jan 6, 2012 9:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Side Question...

Why is it that fights in hockey are accepted and even encouraged?

When fights in football and basketball are viewed as “thuggery”?

by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Jan 5, 2012 5:37 PM EST reply actions  

Congragulations

You win. You have trolled the message boards.

This is for you:

http://gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs/1028266_o.gif

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- Mickey Mantle

by maestro110584 on Jan 5, 2012 5:49 PM EST reply actions  

A link?

I don’t click links because of the virus

by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Jan 5, 2012 6:19 PM EST up reply actions  

What's funny...

…is that I know a few hockey fans who agree with me that the product can and should be better.

Defend it at your own peril.

You watch Stamkos get lost in the shuffle for three periods while I watch Lebron James put up 35 a night on the best athletes in the world.

by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Jan 7, 2012 1:50 AM EST up reply actions  

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I watch Lebron James put up 35 a night on the best athletes in the world

Those guys can’t even skate. Some athletes.

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by Ogre39666 on Jan 7, 2012 2:15 AM EST up reply actions  

go right ahead and enjoy your lebron james. if the nba has the best athletes in the world, why don’t they try playing some defense once in a while?

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by willgarr15 on Jan 8, 2012 11:09 AM EST via Android app up reply actions   1 recs

???

How does not playing defense have anything to do with the level of athlete?

The NBA is insanely competitive. Players are paid a God awful amount of money to put fans in the seat, put up numbers, and win. Everything resides on these three things.

You honestly think if they played playoff level defense the entire year it would benefit them? If playing that level defense was so important during the regular season, some young team/young coach would do it, they would win, and the whole league would copy them. It’s not worth it just like it’s not worth it in the NHL. One thing is not questionable though, they are the best athletes in the world.

by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Jan 8, 2012 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Didn't the Pistons do that a few years back? Beat teams like 85-75? Won a companionship.

And I repeat: They can’t even skate. Some athletes.

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by Ogre39666 on Jan 8, 2012 2:57 PM EST up reply actions  

You will never be able to convince me that the NBA has the best athletes in the world. They have some of them, but top to bottom it is an unathletic, lazy league. And i’ll agree with Ogre about the Pistons. The NBA doesn’t play defense cause the league is run by the players who just want to make highlight reel dunks and get famous and rich, but don’t care about the integrity of the game. The spurs and the pistons and more recently the celtics have proven that defense wins if you actually commit to it. The NBA is a weak league and only frankly has the following it does because of its resemblance to the inner-city street ball where most of its players get their start in the sport. NCAA basketball is a MUCH better product due to its commitment to TEAM and DEFENSE.

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by willgarr15 on Jan 8, 2012 8:22 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

The NBA is filled with nothing but the worlds best athletes. It's a fact.

1) Antonio Gates, Julius Peppers, Tony Gonzales, Randy Moss, Terrell Owens are just a few (trust me, there’s tons more) of athletes who played basketball in D1 programs. What’s the correlation? They all were below average to average basketball players who couldn’t hack it at the next level. They then chose the NFL and became stars there.

2) The NBA has 30 teams. 5 starters per team. That’s 150 NBA starters in the NBA. The NFL has 704 starters. The NHL has 603 starters. It’s far harder to make it in the NBA than it is in the NHL or NFL.

3) Every sport has it’s equivalent to the NFL combine. A place where young athletes are measured. How are they measured? All athletes perform their measurable tasks with just their bodies. They don’t have the burdon of having to do them with anything else. The NHL greatly marginalizes athletes by forcing them to perform two skills at high level (skating and puck handling). The NBA also does this to a lesser extent due to ballhandling. In reality the NFL wins in this department.

4) The NHL and MLB average the oldest players in pro sports. The NBA and NFL average the youngest players in pro sports (actually tennis is the true winner here). You lose athleticism as you age. In hockey it doesn’t matter as much because it doesn’t demand the highest level athlete.

5) The NBA is 82% African American. The NHL is 6% African American. African Americans have dominated explosive sports over the past 50 years, actually ever since their admission into professional sporting leagues.

6) NBA players get paid considerably more the NHL, NFL, and MLB players. If someone is talented enough to succeed in a variety of sports they choose the best paying one.

If you want to watch the worlds greatest athletes on the biggest stage, you watch the NBA.

by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Jan 8, 2012 9:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, the NBA has the best atheltes in the world...

let’s see even one of them do this. The link goes to a video clip on NHL.com; no need to worry about its safety. If you refuse to watch the highlight, you are admitting you are wrong.

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by Ogre39666 on Jan 10, 2012 11:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Yawn

If it’s not a goal, I’m bored to tears…

by lassathrax on Jan 11, 2012 12:20 AM EST up reply actions  

How old are you? Honest question, I'm really wondering.

Are you even being serious? I’m not going to lie and say that wasn’t a great (and watchable!) hockey play. However, it didn’t highlight the athletes athleticism very much. It highlighted his focus, hand eye coordination, flexibility, and reach. It didn’t really show explosion, speed, strength, or agility in the least big.

All I knoow is Mike Smith, who played goalie in that video is six foot four, 215 pounds. White guys in the NBA who are six foot four and weigh 215 pounds are all told the exact same thing.

“Stand over there by the sideline. If we pass you the ball and you’re open, take the three. If you’re not, pass it in and let the athletes do something with it. Oh and don’t embarrass yourself too much on defense trying to guard an NBA 1 or 2.”

Can you imagine if Derrick Rose grew up privileged and had parents who put him in leagues at age 3 or 4?

Skip ahead to the 2:20 mark on this youtube video and take a look at where this six foot one, SIX FOOT ONE, players head ends up going.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9L1YEXfQKps&feature=fvst

by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Jan 11, 2012 8:25 PM EST up reply actions  

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However, it didn’t highlight the athletes athleticism very much. It highlighted his focus, hand eye coordination, flexibility, and reach. It didn’t really show explosion, speed, strength, or agility in the least big.

HAHAHA, I actually laughed out loud at that.

With regard to your Derek Rose clip:
#10: I thought defense isn’t exciting? Yawn.
#9: Luck (and no defensive pressure whatsoever).
#8: OMG! He can jump? Seriously? OMG!
#7: He juked a bit and passed the ball… Oh, okay! I get it! He wasn’t selfish. That is a highlight-worthy play in the NBA!
#6: Three steps in between dribbles. Yawn.
#5: Three steps again.
#4: It didn’t highlight the athletes athleticism very much. I don’t see crazy speed, hand eye coordination, or strength on display there; only flexibility, focus, and some agility.
#3: Seriously, do they play any defense in the NBA? And he took four steps in between dribbles that time.
#2: Routine play (our at least it should be if the NBA has the best athletes in the world) only made “special” because it came before the buzzer.
#1: Three steps again?!

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by Ogre39666 on Jan 11, 2012 9:08 PM EST up reply actions  

When?

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by Ogre39666 on Jan 12, 2012 5:49 PM EST up reply actions  

My God

What are you guys letting on your board? Dude or Dudette (don’t know) ….follow me around tonight at the Sabres vs Canes game in Raleigh and you’ll either change your mind or we will consider you DOA.

The N-B- freaking A? Are you serious? I’d rather watch re-runs of the “World at War” on the Military Channel than watch one minute of the NBA. There are maybe three teams that may keep me awake for 5 minutes (maybe).

Good luck….peace out!

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by Mullett on Jan 6, 2012 3:21 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Not just our board, unfortunately.

by Philaster on Jan 6, 2012 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Go home Troll

I’ve read all your comments and everyone’s responses. You clearly don’t get it or understand the game of hockey. You are asking to change the sport, that tons of people like the way it is, and turn it into something it’s not. It’s like asking people to change the way they play chess because it’s boring, and unwatchable. It’s almost there, but not quite. So let’s change some rules, not only can the queen move anywhere she wants the king can too. The board is now 25% bigger so the pawns can make it to the other side so people can get more queens. And when a piece is captured you get to slap the other person in the face as a penalty for them playing stupid. How fun would chess be then? You would get a whole new audience playing and watching, but it’s no longer the game of chess. People will always choose to like and follow whichever sport they so choose, let them. The world wasn’t created so everyone has to like and admire everything about it. It’s what makes us all unique. We can pick and choose what we like and dislike. I hate the NBA, but I don’t go around and start talking crap about your sport and why I don’t like it and what I would change to make it more interesting. Please stop.

The fans are going to be so loud they are going to hear us in the next Dimension - abayarde

by BillsFanSanDiego619 on Jan 6, 2012 4:09 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

And to Further Prove Everyone's Point

about how a 0-0 game is not exciting and passionate, I think you need to watch the following clip from the World Junior Hockey Championship. It’s not the NHL, but I don’t get how you can tell me people call that boring because there is a lack of scoring.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LG07HgFAfEE&feature=player_embedded

The fans are going to be so loud they are going to hear us in the next Dimension - abayarde

by BillsFanSanDiego619 on Jan 6, 2012 4:58 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Here's what's funny...

If I posted a topic that portrayed me as a legit hockey fan (easy to do) with me asking “What product did you like better? Gretzky/Messier era hockey or Crosby/Ovechkin era hockey?” the results would be much more diversified.

However, I created a little persona that was slightly condescending and all the sheep acted predictably. Rather than address weaknesses in the NHL product, of which there are many, folks rallied together against a common enemy (fake persona me). Hilarious.

I love how all the kids with middle school mentality started bashing the NBA because they read my preference for it. You always know people are losing arguments when they feel forced to take the argument off path. It’s a simple debate flag that high school kids are taught.

The NBA isn’t perfect. I for one would like fewer regular season games, halves rather than quarters, up the age limit to 20, eliminate the bench rule. It’s still a far more “watchable” sport than what the NHL produces at the moment though.

by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Jan 7, 2012 2:03 AM EST up reply actions  

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by Ogre39666 on Jan 7, 2012 2:16 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

mobile rec

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by willgarr15 on Jan 8, 2012 11:10 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

San Diego, born and raised.

Which puts me in an even smaller minority of people from southern california who actually like hockey. I get made fun of all the time when I try to talk hockey and bring hockey up in a conversation. Most people out here don’t get it unless they are a transplant from the east coast or Canada. But I will continue to proudly where my Sabres hat wherever I go, bars included. I actually have been approached by a few people who actually know the team and the sport I proudly represent, and a meaningful conversation ensues.

I played roller hockey when I was younger and actually got pretty good, but I have never played ice hockey, for obvious reasons. I do plan on trying to pick up skating and see if I can play in an adult league. That’s how much I love hockey.

The fans are going to be so loud they are going to hear us in the next Dimension - abayarde

by BillsFanSanDiego619 on Jan 7, 2012 6:44 PM EST up reply actions  

for the record

if you did ask that question, I would say todays game is better.

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by willgarr15 on Jan 8, 2012 11:13 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

One of two things is true.

You weren’t old enough to watch/appreciate Gretzkys era.

You are lying.

by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Jan 8, 2012 1:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow

I was unaware you knew how old I was. I grew up watching Gretzky and he is the greatest athlete I have ever seen and he absolutely dominated the sport. I am many things, Lance (btw how ironic is it that a guy with the handle LanceArmstrong called me a liar?), but I am not a liar. I tell it how it is, because frankly it’s more fun. You may disagree with my opinions, but i’ve played more years of hockey than the number of games you’ve seen in your lifetime.

"Starting today, the Buffalo Sabres' reason for existence will be to win a Stanley Cup" - Terry Pegula

by willgarr15 on Jan 8, 2012 8:28 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Can you support your opinion a little more articulately?

You’ve had a few opportunities to do it and all you have said is “I like todays hockey better than hockey in the 80s”

What didn’t you like about hockey in it’s heyday?

by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Jan 8, 2012 9:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Lance, you are a simple mind.

If you are only excited when a game has high scores, then you do not need to watch hockey.

If you were commissioner, it would be 5 on 1 until someone scores, then 5 on 1 the other way. You, in no way, are capable of understanding the quality of good defensive play. I would rather have one less viewer than to listen to you watch and complain about how hockey needs to change because it doesn’t cater to your simple mindset.

Also, “if you’re not growing, you’re dying.” is wrong on so many levels. The super bowl had its highest number of viewers in television history last year. If they have the exact same number of viewers this year (the highest in television history), does that mean the sport is dying? No.

Grow up and stop complaining. Hockey is as exciting as ever. Hard hits, fast/strong skating, EARNED goals. Just stop watching.

by Phelps716 on Jan 8, 2012 9:59 AM EST reply actions  

Wow

“Most popular in the last week”

I guess this thread is on to something.

You think if I made a thread that said “Enroth better than Hasek” it would receive as much attention? The only reason you people flock to this is because everyone knows there’s some truth to it.

by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Jan 8, 2012 2:12 PM EST reply actions  

You keep referencing the "Crosby/Ovechkin era" vs the Gretzky era

Well wouldn’t many basketball fans say they prefer the Jordan Pippen era to the current Lebron era?

And if you where in favor of changes of hockey that make it more like the olympic game I might agree with that, but you seem to just not like hockey,

Ryan Miller was the true MVP. See my profile for rant.

by Jsz on Jan 12, 2012 10:52 AM EST reply actions  

I'm sure you'll love the NHL All Star Game

no physicality or strategy, just a bunch of show-offs scoring ten zillion meaningless goals in their ice ballet.

by lassathrax on Jan 12, 2012 4:49 PM EST reply actions  

Nope.

Never said I don’t like defense. The all star game shouldn’t be played and it looks nothing like hockey in the 80s

by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Jan 13, 2012 12:36 AM EST up reply actions  

I was just listening to Sal Capacio on WGR earlier today.

He made a little brief mention that the “NHL is a product that needs fixing”.

That guy get’s paid to get people to pay attention to hockey and even he admits that it’s weak.

by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Jan 14, 2012 1:43 PM EST reply actions  

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