Hockey needs to change...
I've lived in Buffalo all of my life. I'm an avid sports fan who fits in the young male demographic that these corporations pine for. However, for some reason, I never gravitated towards hockey. I always played basketball, football, and baseball growing up. I had nothing against the sport. I just didn't find much time for it.
This year I made a serious effort to get into the game by watching as many games as I could. I think, in the past, I must have watched a total of less than 20 NHL games in my life. I know the team and goings on pretty well as I listen to WGR constantly, read the Buffalo News, and listen to a handful of games each year. However, this was the season I was to become a true Sabres fan.
Then you know what happened?
I watched about 10 games before I fully realized that the game (in its current state) sucks. It's painful to watch.
- I love the NBA because watching players like Ricky Rubio is breathtaking. NHL jerseys and helmets make everyone look the same. It's too hard to find where the stars are.
- I can't watch 15 minutes of play where noone scores. In my 10 games, I witnessed waaaaaay too many three goal games. Brutal. Absolutely brutal.
- When teams do score, it usually only comes when it magically bounces off a player or two. To the untrained eye, it almost seems like luck plays a role in 30 to 40 percent of the goals. No thank you.
- I hear way too many times, during intermission, Kevin Selvester or Harry Neal say "The Sabres were lucky to escape that period 0 - 0" or "The Sabres thouroughly outplayed such and such a team in that perioud". What I'm trying to get at is that, more than any other sport (by a country mile) outplaying your opponent doesn't consitute anything on the score sheet.
Something needs to be done as I know hockey can be exciting. I remember watching game 6, I think, of the Sabres v Senators playoff game where Pominville scores the game winner. That was one of the greatest sporting events I've ever seen in my life. If I'm not mistaken the game ended up a 5 - 6 Sabres victory.
I've recently brought these issues up with a few of my friends and they always use the same dumb argument. They say that a 4 - 2 hockey game is the same as a 28 - 14 NFL game.
NO. IT. ISN'T.
In a 4 - 2 NHL game there are about 6 meaningful plays. You guessed it, all six goals. The constant back and forth and shots on net that consitute zero goals are ultimately meaningless. In the NFL a big play at your own 23 yard line is still a big play that ultimately helps your team win. There are tens of "big plays" in the NFL. In the average NHL game there are usually 4 or 5. This sucks.
I just did a little research. Take a look at this...
Number of goals scored in 2010, average NHL game - 5.34
Number of goals scored in 1981, average NHL game - 8.17
How Gary Bettmen allows this type of game to be seen by potential fans is beyond me. He is the worst commisioner in all of pro sports. He needs to be ousted.
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just a guess
but I bet you find soccer dreadfully boring to watch, unlike the majority of the world. lots of action takes place on hockey between the blue lines- and there’s more meaningful plausible than the goals, such as game changing hits, takeaways, and clutch saves.
It’s ok if you don’t like hockey- not everyone likes every sport.
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by maestro110584 on Jan 5, 2012 8:42 AM EST via Android app reply actions
plays, not plausible. stupid phone.
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by maestro110584 on Jan 5, 2012 8:43 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
THE ONLY DIFFERENCE...
The “world” grows up playing soccer. Buy a kid a 10 dollar soccer ball and his childhood is filled with pick up games in the street, alleys, fields, lawns etc…
Hockey doesn’t have the luxury due to the fact that the cost of entry is higher than any other sport.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Jan 5, 2012 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, a street hockey ball and a cheap wood stick are really exorbitant...
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Agreed
Those sticks cost like $9.99 and only last for like 10 years. At that rate, man, it would break any but the richest kid’s bank.
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by maestro110584 on Jan 5, 2012 2:49 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Wrong.
You can more closely associate with high level soccer play than you can high level hockey play due to the fact that such a small portion of people have even skated on ice.
I thought this was common sense.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Jan 10, 2012 8:09 PM EST up reply actions
You didn't say anything about relating to the players.
You said that hockey was too expensive to get started and interested in. It is not. A street hockey ball and stick will run you maybe 20 bucks.
So, WRONG.

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by Ogre39666 on Jan 10, 2012 8:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Really?
You don’t see the correlation between relating to something and interest in something? I think that’s covered in Psych101
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Jan 10, 2012 10:49 PM EST up reply actions
Nope.
I dig the sport. Much more so than hockey. There aren’t as many glaring holes on the pitch as there are on ice.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Jan 11, 2012 12:13 AM EST up reply actions
most americans lack any kind of patience
I love hockey and soccer and prefer to watch either of them over any sport. the NBA is boring to me. It always comes down to the last 2 minutes that even matter. Most people want the big play every moment. Thats why people love the NFL. Baseball…….dont even get me started…………BORING and LONG!
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by thenewhockeytown on Jan 5, 2012 11:13 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
goal facts
Game is faster and goalies are better let alone there equipment. Broduer is the last of the stand up goalies. Everything is Butterfly now
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by thenewhockeytown on Jan 5, 2012 11:15 AM EST reply actions
Brodeur is a butterfly goalie
I’m not sure where you got this notion. And not all butterfly variations are the same. You can tell this watching Miller and Enroth, two very different goaltending styles yet everyone lumps them all together under one label
He's a hybrid goaltender.
He very rarely goes into the full butterfly and even then he doesn’t spread like a full-butterfly goalie does.
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And how would you know?
You said you never watched much if at all before this year.
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I know enough about hockey to know a thing or two about the icon that is Brodeur.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Jan 5, 2012 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
With all due respect
If you do not like hockey, that does not mean it “needs to” or should change in any way. You want the players to be more identifiable? Well, too bad, the helmets and gear are necessary because the game is incredibly fast-paced and dangerous. You want more scoring? You think most goals come down to luck? You’re grossly oversimplifying the complexities of the game. It is a defensive game and truly a team sport, players can rarely change the outcome of a game by individual will alone. You think hockey is in some desperate need of attracting new fans? I’d argue the need is much less than perceived. You think the NFL and NBA are better? Great, sounds like you’re perfectly content to return to ignoring hockey. Please do so.
by lassathrax on Jan 5, 2012 12:29 PM EST reply actions 5 recs
Where does this come from?
Most intelligent hockey fans agree that Gretzky was a treasure to watch. Guess what, he isn’t scoring 92 goals in todays NHL.
Some people can at least admit that hockey has seen better days. People who stick their head in the sand aren’t helping their sport.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Jan 5, 2012 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
The last thing the NHL needs is NFL and NBA devotees changing it.
[insert joke about Bettman being a former NBA VP here.]
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by Ogre39666 on Jan 5, 2012 2:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If you're not growing...
Your dying.
Baseball is failing for a variety of reasons. Chiefly, it caters to old curmudgeons and doesn’t want to move into the 21st century.
Bettman needs to realize that “die hard hockey fan” is ALWAYS going to be die hard hockey fan. The NHL has them in their pocket. They ain’t going anywhere.
Change the NHL to more of something along the lines of the glory days during the 80s and not this horrible product that we see today.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Jan 5, 2012 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
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glory days during the 80s
You mean the part where guys would hook and hold each other like their lives depended on it? Or the part where players were a pale comparison to the athletes of today? Or the part where the league was dominated by one of two teams?
Outside of two stars generational stars, some glory days.
I think the NBA needs to go back to the days where guys didn’t take 3 to 4 steps between dribbles to drive the lane and defenders took more than a passing interest in stopping someone.
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Good God
You complain about hooking and holding in the 80s?! Have you seen todays game? lol.
8 goals per game vs 5.5 goals per game. Enough said. This sport is in the gutter.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Jan 5, 2012 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
Goals ≠ quality of play.
How you can logically assume it does is incredible. What if the other team stopped moving and allowed the other guy to stroll into the zone, the goalie had an aneurysm, keeled over, and allowed a goal on an easy, trickling shot. Under your understanding of the game it would be a fantastic, highlight real play when quite clearly it would be maddening display of ineptness.
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by Ogre39666 on Jan 5, 2012 4:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
How is baseball failing?
Did you see the world series?
Ryan Miller was the true MVP. See my profile for rant.
Just out of curiosity...
Every sport has great games as well as duds. Can you tell me what makes up a good hockey game? What is an exciting play? Put it into words as best you can.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Jan 7, 2012 2:50 AM EST up reply actions
A good hockey game can occur in several different ways. Some games are great because of the defensive match-ups or goaltending battles, which usually allow for someone to be a hero. Some games are great physical battles in which teammates stand up for one another after cheapshots or after the referees lose control of the game. Rarely, there will be a game in which excitement comes from a high-scoring duel. I say rarely because usually when this type of game occurs, it is not very exciting. Frustrating, even, that the defense and goaltending cannot get their act together to prevent the other team from keeping up with their offensive production.
An exciting play could be lots of things as well, could be finesse skating around a defenseman toward the net (regardless of goal or save), could be some well-executed passing ending in a scoring opportunity, a thundering open-ice hit, a well-matched fight, an acrobatic save, etc. Exciting plays happen in 99.9% of games, if you can grasp the importance of each aspect of the game.
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In a 4 – 2 NHL game there are about 6 meaningful plays. You guessed it, all six goals.
And it is right here that you show why you can’t appreciate hockey and like basketball. You don’t find defense interesting of worthwhile. Unfortunately years and ESPN screaming at you that dunks are amazing while ignoring everything else has worked.
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by Ogre39666 on Jan 5, 2012 2:04 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Incorrect
What you see as defense, the majority of viewers see as poor passing and luck.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Jan 5, 2012 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
Then the "majority of viewers" are either
a) too dumb to realize that stopping someone from scoring is just as demanding of skill and talent as scoring is (not to mention important), or
b) not paying attention.
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So it's the NHL's fault you can't congize the fact that stopping your opponent from scoring is just as important as scoring?
Tell me, what does 1-1 equal? You know what, never mind. It equals 0. If you score a goal (or point), but than allow your opponent to score right back, you’re right back where you started from.
And how the NHL can make you focus, I have no idea. All they can do is put the game out there. Maybe they need some shiny colors or a bunch of loud obnoxiousness noises.
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by Ogre39666 on Jan 5, 2012 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Good God
It’s not watchable.
Your too close to the situation to really see it.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Jan 5, 2012 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
Here's a few ideas...
Smaller goalie pads, larger net, call clutching and grabbing all the time, narrow the blue lines, better interface, market stars better, move the net back 4 feet.
Make it exciting.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Jan 5, 2012 5:03 PM EST up reply actions
ITS JUST SO DAMNED HARD TO FIND IT!
I mean, what are they all looking at and skating toward? ITS LIKE BALLERINAS CHASING FLIES!!!
Didn’t they do something like that a few years back, not quite glow in the dark, but put a trail on it or something for the TV audience?
BUT, if the puck glowed in the dark, we could totally do a disco themed night.
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by maestro110584 on Jan 5, 2012 5:44 PM EST up reply actions
That would be awesome. Glowing uniforms, lines, refs, benches, goals, sticks, equipment, etc. Kaleta could put in glowing contacts. I would love hockey in the dark. Although it wouldn’t be more watchable, so I guess that idea is out of the question (and also why I don’t run a hockey league or team.)
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by bluecollarbuffalo on Jan 5, 2012 6:46 PM EST up reply actions
I agree on a few of these. But, for smaller goalie pads, you need to limit some of the stick advancements. The puck is consistently coming at goaltenders faster. I know there were always the Al Iafrates of the world who could rocket them, but guys on average shoot harder.
I’m not sure what better interface means, so I won’t comment.
Moving the net back 4 feet would lead to a ton of dislodged nets, would it not.
They absolutely should go back to calling penalties tight, but teams have gotten around it a little as well. Coaches will always find a way to stop the other team.
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by bluecollarbuffalo on Jan 5, 2012 6:49 PM EST up reply actions
One thing that people are misconstruing...
I don’t hate hockey. I see it’s potential and draw. I see so many aspects that could be good.
I just think it’s obvious that the best hockey occurred in the late 80s and early 90s.
Or what? People that dug that time period weren’t “true” hockey fans and didn’t appreciate “defense”. Give me a break. The product is busted.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Jan 5, 2012 3:00 PM EST reply actions
No, of course not.
But “true” fans of any sport realize that sports evolve. The flow of the game has evolved to speeds that were never seen in the 80’s or 90’s. You hear it all the time from the horses mouth; when alumni players are asked about today’s game, usually the first thing that they remark about is how mush faster the game is – followed by either how much bigger the players are or how the players are all on average much better athletes. Unless your issue is the league protecting its players, the game is just fine.
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The product is not busted
The administration is busted. The NHL is a corrupt league from the very top. It is not quite on the level of Serie A or MLB level corruption but it is rapidly heading in that direction. The league makes far too many decisions about the game itself based on marketing factors. They are creating a “New Original Six” (Bruins, Rangers, Flyers, Caps, Pens and Wings) and the twenty-four lesser teams that the league grudgingly admit exists. The first thing that needs to be done with the NHL is to get rid of the institutionalized bias from the league and for that to happen there has to be a complete replacement of the league administration from the Commissioner on down.
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by Calvert on Jan 8, 2012 5:31 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Who invited the crazy person?
This was hilarious.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Jan 8, 2012 6:38 PM EST up reply actions
He's not that crazy
Most of what he said is true, and the league barely even tries to deny it or cover it up.
i love hockey
we all have our likes and dislikes……..I hate basketball and baseball! enough said
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by thenewhockeytown on Jan 5, 2012 3:40 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
We will never agree on everything, that's for sure
I am a huge hockey, football, baseball and college lacrosse fan. I don’t care about basketball other than Syracuse and following what the Big East are doing so I know roughly what to expect when Cuse plays them and will adapt to the ACC as it approaches. I can’t stand soccer unless it’s a major world tournament, and after the US loses I’ll track Germany, and once they lose if it’s on and there’s nothing else I’ll watch.
Also, every sport has examples of bad games. If you say football is the most exciting sport, I say try dialing into a 6-3 field goal contest in a rain storm, or some other example like that. We all have our attachments to different games/teams/sports for whatever reason those attachments were made. I can watch a 2-1 baseball game and think it was unbelievable action with how a team pitched a lineup, got a couple slick plays in the field with a double play spiced in and someone thrown out to end an inning.
Scoring isn’t always great either, last night’s Sugar bowl had insane scoring but you can’t tell me that I have to believe that’s a great game.
I have seen hockey games that have a ton of goals because the play was sloppy to me and I hated it because it was a train wreck in my eyes, but you (global you) loved it because there was 15 goals.
So then we ask, could hockey appeal to more people? Maybe, but maybe it would just appeal to different people and they would trade 2 Jims who like the new but 3 Bobs who miss the old. No reasonable person would assume that hockey isn’t changing just for the sake of not changing, it is called sports business for a reason, and I am not saying that fans don’t frequently come up with better ideas than the people whose jobs are specifically to think up ways to improve the respective sports because history will show that they can.
So, I guess I can’t tell you what or who is right and which is the path that will bring you to your nirvana. What I can do is say look deeper, watch enough to see if you can pick up the nuances, see if you can take joy in seeing crisp passes to an open man only to be robbed by a flexible skinny man covered in armor, or a simple 2v1 on the boards where a player isolates an opponent and pops the puck out to where his teammate can make a clean exit. Think of the ways that someone like a Rubio can influence a basketball game without scoring or even without the ball altogether, and there is where you might find what your hockey is.
by VFN FTW on Jan 5, 2012 4:00 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
Sorry
You lost me at “trade 2 Jims who like the new but 3 Bobs who miss the old”.
Die hard fans aren’t going anywhere.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Jan 5, 2012 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
But
That’s assuming my Bobs are the die hard fans though. If you wish to insert the literal meaning of the Jims (people who like the game enough now to watch it) and Bobs (people who just don’t like the game enough to watch it anymore) you can.
Really?
You think by increasing scoring and scoring chances you’re going to lose fans? You think there’s any chance of that?
You people do realize hockey was borderline popular in the early 90s? Now it’s laughed at throughout the entire country except the northeast. It’s basically indoor lacross for the rest of the country.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Jan 5, 2012 5:05 PM EST up reply actions
Minnesota, Vancouver, Chicago, Washington, San Jose, Carolina, hell, even Nashville in last year's playoffs.
Those are all in the North East, right?
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You came on a Sabres blog site to discuss how you do not like hockey and how it needs to be changed.
We tell you ways on how we find it exciting, and we ask you to reconsider the sport as it now exists. Your response is that we are either “wrong” and that we need to revert to an 80s style of play where scoring was higher than compared to now. To consider your scoring comparison, I wanted to look at NHL scoring over a longer period of time. Below is the average goals per game from 1917-2008, by decade:
1917-18 to ’26-27: 6.88
1927-28 to ’36-37: 4.81
1937-38 to ’46-47: 6.15
1947-48 to ’56-57: 5.24
1957-58 to ’66-67: 5.86
1967-68 to ’76-77: 6.30
1977-78 to ’86-87: 7.46
1987-88 to ’96-97: 6.71
1997-98 to ’07-08: 5.32
*All data from a 2007 NY Times article here.
As you can see, our number now is similar to the averages during the original 6 era. Overall, the average NHL scoring over this time period is 6.08 goals per game, which is 12% higher than the numbers we currently have. Would more scoring make the game more exciting? Maybe, but we could just consider the 80s as an unusually high scoring period (22.7% above average) due to talented forwards and average goaltending. Even if we use your number for the 80s decade, we get goal totals that are 34.4% greater than the average NHL score from 1917-2008.
Overall, I would consider the 80s as an abnormally high scoring period when compared to NHL history. To revert back to those scoring numbers, we would need to:
- make goalies wear smaller pads
- increase the size of the net
- call obstruction and more penalties in general
- expand the rink size to International size
These could be done, but they are massive changes to make in a sport that has been relatively well received since the lockout. I would welcome any new fans to this site, but your comments above seem to show that you are not really willing to listen to our point of view on the subject. As VFN FTW said before, you need to relate the nuances you find in the other sports you like to the nuances in hockey. If you do this, you may find more respect for the game as it is.
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by bgred105 on Jan 5, 2012 4:57 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
This is a good post.
I will respond to it in a bit.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Jan 5, 2012 5:05 PM EST up reply actions
OK.
I just read your post and was mistaken. It’s not a good post. Some time and thought was put into it but the content just isn’t there.
First of all your “research” really doesn’t support anything. Hockey has always struggled as being a niche sport in America since its inception. The only time it flirted with mainstream success was during the late 80’s and early 90’s. Do I honestly need to spell out the correlation to you? Wayne Gretzky and Mario Lemieux were some of the most popular athletes in America. They were right up there with the Berry Sanders, Michael Jordans, and Cal Ripken Jr’s. They reached this acclaim because the layman could clearly see their impact on the game. As I mentioned before, I consider myself an avid sports fan, and even I have to “look for” players like Crosby and Ovechkin in today’s game. Their impact on viewers just isn’t as obvious.
It’s simple really. People like scoring. People like watching dominant players. The NHL is stuck in the mud when it comes to these two aspects in 2012.
Oh and I laugh at the notion that the reason scores were up in that time was due to the fact that forwards were so skilled and goalies were so average. I have a feeling your not too confident on this one either. Sports technology, nutrition, and training has come so far in the past 25 years it’s not even funny. Only a child would say otherwise.
Your last point is also missing the mark. The single biggest deterant of exciting play is that players get engulfed anywhere past the blue lines. There’s simply no room for great players to show their skill. Watch games from different eras. It’s clear to see.
The sport has been “well received” since the lockout? Have you seen nation wide TV ratings over the past 10 years?
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Jan 5, 2012 5:32 PM EST up reply actions
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First of all your "research" really doesn’t support anything. Hockey has always struggled as being a niche sport in America since its inception
So then we should be coming to the conclusion that goals/game has no impact on the sport’s popularity and changing it in an effort to increase it would be pointless.
Do I honestly need to spell out the correlation to you? Wayne Gretzky and Mario Lemieux were some of the most popular athletes in America. They were right up there with the Berry Sanders, Michael Jordans, and Cal Ripken Jr’s. They reached this acclaim because the layman could clearly see their impact on the game. As I mentioned before, I consider myself an avid sports fan, and even I have to "look for" players like Crosby and Ovechkin in today’s game. Their impact on viewers just isn’t as obvious.
Or it count point to ESPN, SI, etc. ignoring the sport or you just not paying attention.
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Didn’t read " The only time it flirted with mainstream success…" did you?
Clever girl
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Jan 5, 2012 5:40 PM EST up reply actions
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I gave you a time of day, and I should not have.
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by bgred105 on Jan 5, 2012 6:42 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Game. Set. Match.
That’s how you do it folks.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Jan 5, 2012 7:07 PM EST up reply actions
Not necessary.
What I was trying to say is that no matter what I said, you would refute it. Ratings have been up the past two years, with Stanley Cup ratings reverting back to mid-90s numbers…but I imagine you would say something that would make that untrue or whatnot. I would enjoy a spirited conversation, but when you call people “girls” or refer to them being “children” for not noticing something so “obvious”, it really is just obnoxious.
In summation, what I was doing was walking away from a discussion that would be a huge waste of time. You need to try to be more cordial, or no one will take you seriously on here.
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the problem here is that you think that skilled players need space to show off their skill. doesn’t it take more skill to have to stickhandle and keep the puck along the boards when you are being hounded by a defender. look, I love gretzky, but the truth is that era of the game was ripe for players to skate freely all over the ice, and it was full of end to end action that lead to many many scoring chances. the defense caught up to the game since then and it has thus changed. it is the evolution of the sport and it has changed for the better. more physical, more skill involved. watch more than 10 games before you criticize our sport for not being fun for you to watch. also, try playing hockey once and then tell me that the sport is lacking skill players.
also, if you can’t spot crosby or ovie every time they are on the ice, you aren’t watching very well. I can tell who has the puck without reading jersey numbers. when ovie or sid get the puck you can tell who it is by the jump in their step and the skill in which they skate and handle the puck. try watching with a keener eye.
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by willgarr15 on Jan 6, 2012 6:11 PM EST via Android app up reply actions 1 recs
Side Question...
Why is it that fights in hockey are accepted and even encouraged?
When fights in football and basketball are viewed as “thuggery”?
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Jan 5, 2012 5:37 PM EST reply actions
Congragulations
You win. You have trolled the message boards.
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by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Jan 5, 2012 6:19 PM EST up reply actions
Hey Lance
Go ride a fucking bike and stay the hell off of our boards. If we need to increase scoring to attract NBA fans like yourself who think Ricky Rubio is the second coming then I’d rather just leave it the way it is and to hell with your ilk. you’re the kind of super-american sports fan with no attention span who cannot appreciate the nuances of sport and can only enjoy the ethereal rush of goal or point scoring. the second you brought up the NBA I knew we were in for a doozy of a post. You’re probably also the kind of team participation-hating sports fan who prefers NBA basketball to college.
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by willgarr15 on Jan 6, 2012 12:20 PM EST via Android app reply actions 4 recs
What's funny...
…is that I know a few hockey fans who agree with me that the product can and should be better.
Defend it at your own peril.
You watch Stamkos get lost in the shuffle for three periods while I watch Lebron James put up 35 a night on the best athletes in the world.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Jan 7, 2012 1:50 AM EST up reply actions
go right ahead and enjoy your lebron james. if the nba has the best athletes in the world, why don’t they try playing some defense once in a while?
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by willgarr15 on Jan 8, 2012 11:09 AM EST via Android app up reply actions 1 recs
???
How does not playing defense have anything to do with the level of athlete?
The NBA is insanely competitive. Players are paid a God awful amount of money to put fans in the seat, put up numbers, and win. Everything resides on these three things.
You honestly think if they played playoff level defense the entire year it would benefit them? If playing that level defense was so important during the regular season, some young team/young coach would do it, they would win, and the whole league would copy them. It’s not worth it just like it’s not worth it in the NHL. One thing is not questionable though, they are the best athletes in the world.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Jan 8, 2012 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
Didn't the Pistons do that a few years back? Beat teams like 85-75? Won a companionship.
And I repeat: They can’t even skate. Some athletes.
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You will never be able to convince me that the NBA has the best athletes in the world. They have some of them, but top to bottom it is an unathletic, lazy league. And i’ll agree with Ogre about the Pistons. The NBA doesn’t play defense cause the league is run by the players who just want to make highlight reel dunks and get famous and rich, but don’t care about the integrity of the game. The spurs and the pistons and more recently the celtics have proven that defense wins if you actually commit to it. The NBA is a weak league and only frankly has the following it does because of its resemblance to the inner-city street ball where most of its players get their start in the sport. NCAA basketball is a MUCH better product due to its commitment to TEAM and DEFENSE.
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by willgarr15 on Jan 8, 2012 8:22 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
The NBA is filled with nothing but the worlds best athletes. It's a fact.
1) Antonio Gates, Julius Peppers, Tony Gonzales, Randy Moss, Terrell Owens are just a few (trust me, there’s tons more) of athletes who played basketball in D1 programs. What’s the correlation? They all were below average to average basketball players who couldn’t hack it at the next level. They then chose the NFL and became stars there.
2) The NBA has 30 teams. 5 starters per team. That’s 150 NBA starters in the NBA. The NFL has 704 starters. The NHL has 603 starters. It’s far harder to make it in the NBA than it is in the NHL or NFL.
3) Every sport has it’s equivalent to the NFL combine. A place where young athletes are measured. How are they measured? All athletes perform their measurable tasks with just their bodies. They don’t have the burdon of having to do them with anything else. The NHL greatly marginalizes athletes by forcing them to perform two skills at high level (skating and puck handling). The NBA also does this to a lesser extent due to ballhandling. In reality the NFL wins in this department.
4) The NHL and MLB average the oldest players in pro sports. The NBA and NFL average the youngest players in pro sports (actually tennis is the true winner here). You lose athleticism as you age. In hockey it doesn’t matter as much because it doesn’t demand the highest level athlete.
5) The NBA is 82% African American. The NHL is 6% African American. African Americans have dominated explosive sports over the past 50 years, actually ever since their admission into professional sporting leagues.
6) NBA players get paid considerably more the NHL, NFL, and MLB players. If someone is talented enough to succeed in a variety of sports they choose the best paying one.
If you want to watch the worlds greatest athletes on the biggest stage, you watch the NBA.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Jan 8, 2012 9:33 PM EST up reply actions
I just watched the Leafs beat the Sabres 2-0 on January 10th.
Horrible Horrible game. Wow.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Jan 11, 2012 12:15 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, the NBA has the best atheltes in the world...
let’s see even one of them do this. The link goes to a video clip on NHL.com; no need to worry about its safety. If you refuse to watch the highlight, you are admitting you are wrong.
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How old are you? Honest question, I'm really wondering.
Are you even being serious? I’m not going to lie and say that wasn’t a great (and watchable!) hockey play. However, it didn’t highlight the athletes athleticism very much. It highlighted his focus, hand eye coordination, flexibility, and reach. It didn’t really show explosion, speed, strength, or agility in the least big.
All I knoow is Mike Smith, who played goalie in that video is six foot four, 215 pounds. White guys in the NBA who are six foot four and weigh 215 pounds are all told the exact same thing.
“Stand over there by the sideline. If we pass you the ball and you’re open, take the three. If you’re not, pass it in and let the athletes do something with it. Oh and don’t embarrass yourself too much on defense trying to guard an NBA 1 or 2.”
Can you imagine if Derrick Rose grew up privileged and had parents who put him in leagues at age 3 or 4?
Skip ahead to the 2:20 mark on this youtube video and take a look at where this six foot one, SIX FOOT ONE, players head ends up going.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Jan 11, 2012 8:25 PM EST up reply actions
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However, it didn’t highlight the athletes athleticism very much. It highlighted his focus, hand eye coordination, flexibility, and reach. It didn’t really show explosion, speed, strength, or agility in the least big.
HAHAHA, I actually laughed out loud at that.
With regard to your Derek Rose clip:
#10: I thought defense isn’t exciting? Yawn.
#9: Luck (and no defensive pressure whatsoever).
#8: OMG! He can jump? Seriously? OMG!
#7: He juked a bit and passed the ball… Oh, okay! I get it! He wasn’t selfish. That is a highlight-worthy play in the NBA!
#6: Three steps in between dribbles. Yawn.
#5: Three steps again.
#4: It didn’t highlight the athletes athleticism very much. I don’t see crazy speed, hand eye coordination, or strength on display there; only flexibility, focus, and some agility.
#3: Seriously, do they play any defense in the NBA? And he took four steps in between dribbles that time.
#2: Routine play (our at least it should be if the NBA has the best athletes in the world) only made “special” because it came before the buzzer.
#1: Three steps again?!

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My God
What are you guys letting on your board? Dude or Dudette (don’t know) ….follow me around tonight at the Sabres vs Canes game in Raleigh and you’ll either change your mind or we will consider you DOA.
The N-B- freaking A? Are you serious? I’d rather watch re-runs of the “World at War” on the Military Channel than watch one minute of the NBA. There are maybe three teams that may keep me awake for 5 minutes (maybe).
Good luck….peace out!
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by Mullett on Jan 6, 2012 3:21 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Go home Troll
I’ve read all your comments and everyone’s responses. You clearly don’t get it or understand the game of hockey. You are asking to change the sport, that tons of people like the way it is, and turn it into something it’s not. It’s like asking people to change the way they play chess because it’s boring, and unwatchable. It’s almost there, but not quite. So let’s change some rules, not only can the queen move anywhere she wants the king can too. The board is now 25% bigger so the pawns can make it to the other side so people can get more queens. And when a piece is captured you get to slap the other person in the face as a penalty for them playing stupid. How fun would chess be then? You would get a whole new audience playing and watching, but it’s no longer the game of chess. People will always choose to like and follow whichever sport they so choose, let them. The world wasn’t created so everyone has to like and admire everything about it. It’s what makes us all unique. We can pick and choose what we like and dislike. I hate the NBA, but I don’t go around and start talking crap about your sport and why I don’t like it and what I would change to make it more interesting. Please stop.
The fans are going to be so loud they are going to hear us in the next Dimension - abayarde
by BillsFanSanDiego619 on Jan 6, 2012 4:09 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
And to Further Prove Everyone's Point
about how a 0-0 game is not exciting and passionate, I think you need to watch the following clip from the World Junior Hockey Championship. It’s not the NHL, but I don’t get how you can tell me people call that boring because there is a lack of scoring.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LG07HgFAfEE&feature=player_embedded
The fans are going to be so loud they are going to hear us in the next Dimension - abayarde
by BillsFanSanDiego619 on Jan 6, 2012 4:58 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Here's what's funny...
If I posted a topic that portrayed me as a legit hockey fan (easy to do) with me asking “What product did you like better? Gretzky/Messier era hockey or Crosby/Ovechkin era hockey?” the results would be much more diversified.
However, I created a little persona that was slightly condescending and all the sheep acted predictably. Rather than address weaknesses in the NHL product, of which there are many, folks rallied together against a common enemy (fake persona me). Hilarious.
I love how all the kids with middle school mentality started bashing the NBA because they read my preference for it. You always know people are losing arguments when they feel forced to take the argument off path. It’s a simple debate flag that high school kids are taught.
The NBA isn’t perfect. I for one would like fewer regular season games, halves rather than quarters, up the age limit to 20, eliminate the bench rule. It’s still a far more “watchable” sport than what the NHL produces at the moment though.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Jan 7, 2012 2:03 AM EST up reply actions
You might say...
…the NBA is three times more “watchable” than the NHL.
http://www.adweek.com/news/television/puck-stops-here-nba-melts-nhl-ratings-race-132274
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Jan 7, 2012 2:35 AM EST up reply actions
A link? Sorry, I don't click of them, cause of teh viruzesssss. lawl.
Also, this.

"You never have to wait long, or look far, to be reminded of how thin the line is between being a hero or a goat."
- Mickey Mantle
by maestro110584 on Jan 7, 2012 9:47 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
mobile rec
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by willgarr15 on Jan 8, 2012 11:10 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Dude, seriously.
Middle school mentality? Really? You call me a little kid, how much more Middle School is that? In no way did I take a personal attack on you whatsoever. I didn’t name call. I simply stated that most people unlike yourself truly can watch and enjoy hockey the way it is. The game has evolved into something different than it was in the late 80’s and early 90’s. Look at football for example. The game is changing from a run first, defense wins championships, to an era where offense reigns supreme. The top two seeds this year have the number 32 and 31 ranked defenses. The game has evolved and people are embracing it. In no way do I hear people calling for the days to go back to the single RB, defense trumps all teams. It is what it is.
My comment about the NBA in no way shape or form had to do with whether you like it or not. There was no personal attack. I don’t like the NBA, period. It has nothing to do with you. I hate baseball even more than I hate the NBA. Those games don’t interest me, and that’s fine. I don’t go over to a New York Knicks blog and start talking trash on Basketball because I know nothing about it and think the game needs to change.
Just because hockey isn’t “watchable” to you doesn’t mean it isn’t watchable for others. There you go again taking shots at a sport you said you know nothing about. Why? I don’t think the MLB and NBA are “watchable”. But that’s me and I don’t go and try to watch something I don’t like. You clearly are here to get under peoples’ skin for your own personal enjoyment and I don’t know how much more Middle School and childish that can be, but you are allowed to do what you please.
Now this sheep will answer your question about the weaknesses in hockey from my own opinion. I think the game needs to be called tighter and more fair from a referee stand point. Too many times will something happen to one team and there will be a penalty called, and that same exact thing happens to the other team with no call. I don’t like the current point system they use for the regular season. I don’t think a team should get the same amount of points for shootout win as a regulation win. I personally think it should be a 3-2-1-0 system. 3 points for a regulation win, 2 points for a shootout/overtime win, 1 point for an shootout/overtime loss, and 0 points for a regulation loss. The last thing I don’t like, which hasn’t officially changed yet, is what the new playoff format would have been. I like the way the setup is now, where an 8 seed has the possibility of upsetting the number 1 seed. Just a couple years ago the 5, 6, 7, and 8 seeds all moved on after the first round. How cool is that? Talk about your underdog storyline.
Other than that the game will change and evolve as the players and coaches change. New players and new coaches in a league will create new situations and new tactics. I’m fine with that.
The fans are going to be so loud they are going to hear us in the next Dimension - abayarde
by BillsFanSanDiego619 on Jan 7, 2012 1:21 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Where do you live in the So Cal area?
I currently reside in Oceanside.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Jan 7, 2012 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
San Diego, born and raised.
Which puts me in an even smaller minority of people from southern california who actually like hockey. I get made fun of all the time when I try to talk hockey and bring hockey up in a conversation. Most people out here don’t get it unless they are a transplant from the east coast or Canada. But I will continue to proudly where my Sabres hat wherever I go, bars included. I actually have been approached by a few people who actually know the team and the sport I proudly represent, and a meaningful conversation ensues.
I played roller hockey when I was younger and actually got pretty good, but I have never played ice hockey, for obvious reasons. I do plan on trying to pick up skating and see if I can play in an adult league. That’s how much I love hockey.
The fans are going to be so loud they are going to hear us in the next Dimension - abayarde
by BillsFanSanDiego619 on Jan 7, 2012 6:44 PM EST up reply actions
You are a lucky man.
Best city in the country.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Jan 8, 2012 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
Wait, I thought you "lived in Buffalo all of my life"?...
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for the record
if you did ask that question, I would say todays game is better.
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by willgarr15 on Jan 8, 2012 11:13 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
One of two things is true.
You weren’t old enough to watch/appreciate Gretzkys era.
You are lying.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Jan 8, 2012 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
Wow
I was unaware you knew how old I was. I grew up watching Gretzky and he is the greatest athlete I have ever seen and he absolutely dominated the sport. I am many things, Lance (btw how ironic is it that a guy with the handle LanceArmstrong called me a liar?), but I am not a liar. I tell it how it is, because frankly it’s more fun. You may disagree with my opinions, but i’ve played more years of hockey than the number of games you’ve seen in your lifetime.
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by willgarr15 on Jan 8, 2012 8:28 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Can you support your opinion a little more articulately?
You’ve had a few opportunities to do it and all you have said is “I like todays hockey better than hockey in the 80s”
What didn’t you like about hockey in it’s heyday?
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Jan 8, 2012 9:49 PM EST up reply actions
Lance, you are a simple mind.
If you are only excited when a game has high scores, then you do not need to watch hockey.
If you were commissioner, it would be 5 on 1 until someone scores, then 5 on 1 the other way. You, in no way, are capable of understanding the quality of good defensive play. I would rather have one less viewer than to listen to you watch and complain about how hockey needs to change because it doesn’t cater to your simple mindset.
Also, “if you’re not growing, you’re dying.” is wrong on so many levels. The super bowl had its highest number of viewers in television history last year. If they have the exact same number of viewers this year (the highest in television history), does that mean the sport is dying? No.
Grow up and stop complaining. Hockey is as exciting as ever. Hard hits, fast/strong skating, EARNED goals. Just stop watching.
Wow
“Most popular in the last week”
I guess this thread is on to something.
You think if I made a thread that said “Enroth better than Hasek” it would receive as much attention? The only reason you people flock to this is because everyone knows there’s some truth to it.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Jan 8, 2012 2:12 PM EST reply actions
You keep referencing the "Crosby/Ovechkin era" vs the Gretzky era
Well wouldn’t many basketball fans say they prefer the Jordan Pippen era to the current Lebron era?
And if you where in favor of changes of hockey that make it more like the olympic game I might agree with that, but you seem to just not like hockey,
Ryan Miller was the true MVP. See my profile for rant.
I'm sure you'll love the NHL All Star Game
no physicality or strategy, just a bunch of show-offs scoring ten zillion meaningless goals in their ice ballet.
Nope.
Never said I don’t like defense. The all star game shouldn’t be played and it looks nothing like hockey in the 80s
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Jan 13, 2012 12:36 AM EST up reply actions
I was just listening to Sal Capacio on WGR earlier today.
He made a little brief mention that the “NHL is a product that needs fixing”.
That guy get’s paid to get people to pay attention to hockey and even he admits that it’s weak.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Jan 14, 2012 1:43 PM EST reply actions

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