What's Wrong With This Team?
It's no secret that the Buffalo Sabres have been struggling as of late. The team has gone win-less in their last 5 and they haven't won a road game in the last 12 attempts. Injuries have plagued the team this year with only 3 players that started the season not missing at least a game due to injury. The management has been vocal that these injuries are the cause of their last place in the East standing but what if there is more to it?
Is it time for Lindy to go?- This seems to come up every year when the team hits a bump but this year that bump is the deepest it's been since the lock-out. Game after game it seems as if this team is skating around like they all have something better to do. Sure, you can place the blame on the players themselves but don't you think Lindy should be making sure they give it 100% every night? If they don't shouldn't they be benched? When Leino loses the puck after a bone-headed between the legs pass shouldn't he sit for a bit? Isn't that the job of a coach, especially at this level? This team isn't exactly over-flowing with extra players due to the injury issues but the guys getting called up seem to be playing well and I'll take Finley skating at 100% over Gragnani at his usual 40% any night. Without this accountability where's the motivation to play at their best, especially when they're tied for last in the East? There's no denying that Lindy hasn't had at least some success here in Buffalo but if a coach went 13 seasons without a cup in any other city, do you think they'd still be behind the bench?
Now a coaching change isn't guaranteed to change this team around. We all know it hasn't worked in Anaheim for example, and things didn't get much better in Washington either. However we can hope for a turn-around like the Blues have seen since Hitchcock took over. Whether or not this team can turn a 180 with a new coach is certainly up for debate but it probably would be the biggest shake-up this team has seen in it's history, and maybe that's just what they need.
What about the front office?- It seems like Regier takes the most heat out of anyone associated with this team when things aren't going well. It might still be the sting from losing both Drury and Briere or the lack of any big moves year after year (I suppose this off-season was a change from that though). However, under the previous ownership, his arms were tied, lacking the funds needed to keep or acquire all-star talent. I find it hard to fault him in years past as he managed to pull in some impressive young talent (Gerbe, Ennis, Myers, Enroth, Adam). With some extra cash this off-season his big name acquisitions gave us reason to believe this new team was different and they could bring in that already developed, veteran, talent. However, those contracts have yet to live up to the hype. Ehrhoff seems to be doing the best out of the bunch and even with that it's hard to argue he's worth the money spent. Maybe Regier is just better at finding young talent that will develop than he is at getting veteran players here and performing well.
Could have Pegula been a bad thing?- I, along with most of the fan base, was ecstatic when the ownership of this team changed last year. We had hope that things were going to be different, money would be spent to pick up and keep those star players we let slip through our grasp prior years. He spent money on rugs, the locker room, etched some glass, added more staff, and was actually a hockey fan instead of a politician. It was a big shake-up and just as those sweeping changes can have positive effects, these quick changes can carry negatives also. This team was decent last year, a young group meshing together well and winning games through hard work and not raw, all-star-level talent. Yes, they fell short but with one of their stars out of the game (Roy) a lot of young talent stepped up and pushed this team to a game 7 in the first round of the playoffs. It was disappointing for sure but it gave us hope they would be better this year after more development and more players getting closer to that veteran status. On top of that we'd have money in the off season to bring in some much needed "imported" talent...it was going to be a good season.
Of course, that's wasn't the case. What if, this new money that led to these "star" player signings messed with the dynamics of this team. We all know you can create your dream team of talent but without some sort of deeper relationship within the team you're no better than the team with no stars. Just look at the Miami Heat. Adding these new veterans to the team is sure to have changed the dynamics in the locker room and maybe that's what the problem is. This team that's worked and developed together for so many years now has to find spots for these new players to fit.
My opinion? I think it's a result of all the above. Injuries are hard on a team and when you have half the team coming back from injuries you have a team that's only capable of so much. Add to that a coach that may have lost his touch and a GM that has trouble bringing in big name talent the owner demands but that still works with your current roster. It might not be too late for this team but we're almost to the point of no-return. Confidence is hard to find when you've dropped as many games as these guys have but a few wins can turn that around. Perhaps that coupled with the all-star break helping get this team a bit healthier is what they need. Throw in a trade before the deadline that will help this team find the back of the net and maybe they can make a borderline-miracle comeback. Of course isn't it what a Buffalo sports fan wishes for every year? Just a simple miracle?
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I dont think its Pegula.
From the sounds of it, players love him and what hes done for the team…
But I dont relly hear them saying they love Lindy. I put blame on the players first and foremost. Its their responsability to play and play like we know they can. Pominville can say all he wants that this team is out there thrying hard, but when you watch the games, you know thats not always the case. Too many times weve given up goals and lost games because players fail to continue their backcheck. Also we have no one on this team, minus Vanek, that can finish with any kind of regularity.
"@Katebits: At this rate Sarah Maclachlan is going to start making sad commercials about the Sabres soon."
Wow
This post has all the cliches:
1. Bench Leino (when he’s unquestionably more talented than what he would be replaced with)
2. Lindy can’t motivate his guys (This is a chicken and egg thing. I think some of the guys aren’t paying attention to Lindy. These players should be set on fire and rolled down the I-90)
3. Sit Gragnani and play Finley (Finley can’t even fight. You have to try to lose when you’re his height. Statistics show that Gragnani is one of their best offensive defenseman and projects very well in the league)
4. Mentioning Drury and Briere (drink!)
5. Interior decorating has made the team soft (Do I really need to address this? Seriously?)
Re: point 4
Done!
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by bluecollarbuffalo on Jan 24, 2012 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
1.Leino needs to fix his crap or get off the ice…I’d rather see a young gun play and actually try!
2. Lindy gives his players Sundays off, he sits emotionless behind that bench every game, he has more excuses than explanations to the media, I don’t care how you slice it, he is the coach, he is responsible for this team’s production! They don’t pay attention, then he isn’t coaching right!
3. Its not about whether they can fight, and how they project…its how they play and “what have you done lately” and how much heart are you giving!
4. We penny pinched and it was proven…we let the faces of the franchise walk with nothing to show for it and it is a testament to the man in charge! It was proven that Drury’s offer by the Rangers was matched by the Sabres….MATCHED, AFTER he was given the offer, much like Vanek!!! Regier tried to be cheap and didn’t fight to keep our guy the first time, was basically forced to the second! I will ride that bandwagon until he produces a winner to shut me up!
All I have to say is Gragnani: 1 g 11 A 12 points. +10
Joe Finley 0 g 0 A 0 points -3. What has Finley done for us lately? Not much.
In more recent games, Leino has looked like one of the people actually trying. Same with Boyes. Yet everyone wants to run them out of town. Not their fault people wanted to pay them a ton of money.
If you want to replace Lindy, fine. But there’s no guarantee that another coach would be able to motivate some of the stiffs on this team.
How many points are off the power play?
How many of those Gragnani assists were earned on the power play? Defensemen must play defense first and he is totally incapable of that. He rarely plays against another teams top line. His stats are inflated! He has a lousy shot!
plus minus isn't.
You don’t get any credit for that on the PP. Only about half of his assists are on the PP.
Finley isn’t good enough to play the PP. Why is the fact that Gragnani plays the PP seen as a strike against him?
Not for nothing but his shot knocked Miller out of practice today. Kind of wish he would do that to opposing goalies…
by Frank Reich Revolution on Jan 24, 2012 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
Regeir gave Drury and offer (likely 25/5 or something) and also added that if he got a better offer the Sabres would match.
Finley is the 10th (11th, 12th?) string defense-man for a reason. If you wanted to bench Gragnani to play Ehrhoff or maybe even McNabb i might think you were being reasonable.
I’ve never seen Lindy Ruff sit emotionless behind the bench. Just because he isn’t throwing stuff every period doesn’t mean he doesn’t want to.
OPERATION TANK IS A GO. It’s the only explanation for Mike Weber. He’s on a secret mission.
by Ubiquitous on Jan 24, 2012 1:51 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
agreed
ubiquitous is right…. you think RUFF is emotionless? he might not be bruce budreau blowing a stack on the bench because ovechkin didn’t serve him a double-order of chili-cheese fries between periods. but i would say that ron wilson shows a lot LESS emotion than lindy ruff….
why is it that whenever a high paid skill player doesn't score as often as we want him do, he's automatically labeled 'not trying'?
Have you actually watched Leino skate? He’s trying as hard or harder than most of the players out there, IMO. He’ just not scoring. Either in anybody else. Leino is simply overpaid right now, which is exactly what happens when you go shopping for FA’s on July 1st, which is what we all begged Darcy to do.
You know who else was labeled as ‘lazy’ or ‘not trying’ for the first 4 or so years of his career? Thomas Fucking Vanek.
by lgbfromoregon on Jan 24, 2012 3:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Philaster
Do you watch games or are you simply out of touch with what is going on?
Yes, I do. I try to look at things objectively though, and as I said, I think Gragnani ranks about 30 on the list of the problems with the Sabres this year.
I think what you and everyone else is really objecting to is that the Sabres identity is not that of the Bruins. It’s certainly a legitimate gripe that the Sabres lack identity. Look at Jason Pominville for instance. Is he American? Is he Canadian? Who can say?
Seriously though, the Sabres need to find their own identity, not just imitate the Bruins.
Harping on Gragnani
while letting Weber and even Leopold off the hook shows that if anybody is out of touch with what is going on, it’s you, Coach.
by lgbfromoregon on Jan 24, 2012 3:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I do not
Let those guys off the hook, Leopold has been terrible. In fact, the Sabres have too many of the same type of defensemen. Smallish puck movers who defend poorly in Sekera Gragnani, and probably Leopold. You also have Myers and Ehrhoff who can move the puck. Only two guys are considered defensive defensemen Weber and Regehr. You keep Myers, Ehrhoff and a third (offensive guy). Pair them with guys who are physical and can play defense. In this league with the players getting bigger your defensemen have to have the physicality to play defense. McNabb is a diamond in the rough. You have the makings of an outstanding defense in Myers, Ehrhoff, McNabb, Regehr. I don’t know if I would keep any of the rest I mentioned. I would move them at the deadline.
How dare Darcy have multiple defensemen on the same team who can move the puck and contribute offensively!
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by Ogre39666 on Jan 24, 2012 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Pegula
Him buying the Sabres was a great thing, but, he came in here as a big fan not a hungry owner who wanted a Cup. If he would have come in here using his head instead of his heart, I think things would be different. He kept a GM who has brought in some good talent through the draft but has done nothing else. He falls in love with his players and believes that they are better than they really are. (Example) When he said that Roy and Connolly were two of the top 20 Centers in the NHL. In reality they aren’t in the top top 20 of their own division. And he kept Ruff.In his 14th year and he took a team praised as the hardest working team in the NHL and brought it down to the level it is today. Uninspired, lazy and soft.
Miami Heat?
The record skipped when you brought them up. They made it to game 6 of the finals and were one epic comeback/collapse from going up 2-0. Maybe the Eagles would have been a better comparison. Anyway, yeah, who knows. Maybe the team makes 0 major changes and they’re good next year.
by Frank Reich Revolution on Jan 24, 2012 11:12 AM EST reply actions
I would agree but never bought into the Eagles dream team thing…that was a term they pretty much coined themselves for whatever reason. The Heat did produce some results but I don’t think they lived up to the hype that surrounded them. They were supposed to walk to the Championship and it was never that easy for them. Main point was that 3/5 of your team being at the top of the league doesn’t guarantee you a championship.
Going to the NBA finals is not a failure in any way. Terrible comparison to the Sabres. The Heat made the finals in just the first year of having these players together too! Were the Heat over-hyped? Yes. However, they really did deliver, and will likely be getting the NBA title soon.
Isn't Anaheim
clawing their way back up? They are 8-1-1 in their last 10. Something has changed the way they play.
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by BillsFanSanDiego619 on Jan 24, 2012 12:19 PM EST reply actions
Their GM publicly and loudly put everyone on the trading block
That usually will shake a player up. They fired their coach earlier in the year. I don’t see either of those things happening here. Other than that, nothing else has happened.
Also we only play in the second half of the season anyways…
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I rec’d that shit.
by Steven Hida on Jan 24, 2012 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t think that will matter this year. We are in the cellar of the Eastern Conference. Albeit, we are only 10 points from 8th place. But the way we have been playing lately, I just can’t see this team pulling a New Jersey of last year and actually making the playoffs.
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by BillsFanSanDiego619 on Jan 24, 2012 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
I completely agree
I was just making a comment when he said that
Now a coaching change isn’t guaranteed to change this team around. We all know it hasn’t worked in Anaheim for example, and things didn’t get much better in Washington either.
When in fact, things are changing.
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by BillsFanSanDiego619 on Jan 24, 2012 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
Really? It hasnt turned around for Washington?
Theyre 1 point out of 1st place in their division, they actually have 3 more wins than Florida, but Fla somehow has an amazing 10 OTLs, plus theyre 10 points up on Buffalo.
I hate when Sabres fans rip on the Caps… like we have been in better shape than them the last 5 years?
"@Katebits: At this rate Sarah Maclachlan is going to start making sad commercials about the Sabres soon."
Washington’s “Charge” is more because the Panthers are 4-10 in their last 14 games. (The Sabres are 4-11 in their last 15)
Caps Coaches:
Bruce Boudreau (12-9-1) (admittedly he started 7-0)
Dale Hunter (13-10-2)
OPERATION TANK IS A GO. It’s the only explanation for Mike Weber. He’s on a secret mission.
Other fun facts:
The Caps are 9-1 in games Mike Green plays in.
OPERATION TANK IS A GO. It’s the only explanation for Mike Weber. He’s on a secret mission.
You mean when elite talent is healthy and playing your team will play better? That’s just crazy talk. The Caps should call up some of their rookies and take out Ovechkin because he has no heart.
by Philaster on Jan 24, 2012 2:01 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Oh stop with the injury BS.
We get it, Ruff defenders will use that stat til the day hes fired. And Im not even a “Fire Ruff” guy.
No team goes thru the season without losing major pieces for some part. Weve been relatively healthy for this road trip and we’re still 0-5.
"@Katebits: At this rate Sarah Maclachlan is going to start making sad commercials about the Sabres soon."
It depends on who’s injured. The Sabres should be better than they have been with the people that they have had injured, but at the same time, it makes sense that they’d struggle to some degree. I was more making fun of the people who say that Joe Finley or Zach Kassian are the saviors of this team.
If Myers happened to be out and the team was stuck in a room with an exceptionally high fire alarm Finley very well could be the savior of the team.
I fight with psychological warfare, I made her a Sabres fan…
by VFN FTW on Jan 24, 2012 3:45 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Does every team lost 5 major pieces?
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Their “less” is still more than what we’ve done.
"@Katebits: At this rate Sarah Maclachlan is going to start making sad commercials about the Sabres soon."
Oh you mean all those Eastern Conference Championships they've won
Oh wait….
They had a lot more talented team with Green, Ovechkin, Semin, Backstrom, Fleischmann. They’ve made marginally further in the playoffs.
I agree that their less is still more than what the Sabres have done, but only if you’re talking about underachieving.
Not according to the "15 years with no Cup" crowd.
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Look less at the new coach in Anahiem
and look more at Getzlaf, Ryan, and Perry.
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Anaheim has talent
Unlike the Sabres, Anaheim has real talent at the center position, they also have heart. The Sabres have neither.
Anaheim is also notorious for slow starts to seasons so i suspect things would have improved at some point regardless of what was done. Teams don’t win 15% of their games for a whole year no matter how bad they are.
OPERATION TANK IS A GO. It’s the only explanation for Mike Weber. He’s on a secret mission.
Nonesense
This post says nothing that hasn’t been said over and over and over. What it really should be saying is that the Sabres need a remake. The GM, probably the coach and at least one third of the players need to go. The team, as it is now assembled by Regier (he is responsible) will never succeed in accomplishing anything. We have an under talented team of whiners and quitters. The only cure and a house cleaning.
Mentioning Enroth as one of Regier’s great draft picks is laughable. Enroth will never be a starting goalie in the NHL, he isn’t even a backup goalie. He belongs in the AHL.
If Gragnani is 30th in priority on the list of the Sabres problems, I’d put Enroth as about 45th. It’s hard to be lights out when you’re getting out shot and there’s no goal support.
by Philaster on Jan 24, 2012 1:59 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I would have a fire sale
It wont happen but I would gut the whole thing. New GM, new coach, trade anyone who is worth moving. Free up cap and get draft picks. Get a high pick and make a bunch of moves. Its easy to do on NHL 12.
by thekillercarlson on Jan 24, 2012 2:03 PM EST reply actions
If you want a fire sale, it needs to be during the off season.
OPERATION TANK IS A GO. It’s the only explanation for Mike Weber. He’s on a secret mission.
by Ubiquitous on Jan 24, 2012 2:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm sorry...
Did you really just suggest Mr. Pegula was a bad thing? Now I see why people get so upset when I say something negative on here. To suggest that having an owner who is a fan and is willing to spend is a negative thing is a complete and utter joke. Also to suggest moving an international caliber coach is just stupid. I’m placing the blame on the players for buying into the injury excuse and using it as cover to take shifts, neigh entire games, off. Mostly I’m placing the blame on the GM. He got comfortable in a system where he had his hands tied. Now his poor performance is exposed b/c he’s got money to burn and is let off the leash and he brings us what? Ville F-ing Leino; a guy who’s best season (28 goals) was in Finland. Then he brings us Erhoff; he’s okay but don’t we already have some puck moving defensemen in Leopold, Gragnani and Myers? Let’s get some d-men who clear out the lanes in front of Miller and beat the piss out of people who take runs at him. Then he sends us out on the ice w/ the midget brigade of players we call forwards. No size to bang down low in the corners, nobody outside of Vanek w/ the ballz to go to the front of the net and not one guy who can pass the puck well enough to make entry into the offensive zone. So we dump and we chase but our midgets aren’t big enough to regather. If Vanek doesn’t go end to end we get shut-out. We need to get off Miller’s back. Interesting that we wait and mourn for Sidney Crosby to recover from his concussions but when Miller tries to recover from a head injury playing a position of extreme focus for 60 min. a game we can’t cut him some slack. Trade him, Enroth is the 2nd coming of Christ…sure he is. The best we can hope for is that we don’t play ourselves out of a top 3 draft pick in the 2nd half, get a real GM and train for next year.
Do you believe in miracles? YES!
philaster
Clearly, you disagree with everything in this post.
So what would you do? If it isn’t the coach, the players, the gm or the owner…what’s left?
This team is clearly a disaste
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by Fedorable on Jan 24, 2012 3:16 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I don’t think it’s all of the players. I don’t even think it’s any one of the players. I think certain guys need a change of scenery. I do agree with the post that it’s really too complicated to blame on any one thing, which is why the “Get rid of X, he’s garbage” posts piss me off. This is a multifaceted problem. It needs a multifaceted approach.
Look, here is where I’m at. If you decide you like the core of the team, or you find yourself unable to get rid of Roy, Stafford, and Gaustad etc., then you hand Lindy his walking papers. I don’t see this as likely because, at least in public, Pegula loves the guy. I do too. I think he’s a good coach, just not for the team anymore.
I would prefer to get rid of all those aforementioned players and carefully target free agents that will work with the guys we already have. I would target strong leadership and two way play over getting a superstar. I think that will screw up the already delicate chemistry. Then I would hope for the best.
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I’ll take Finley skating at 100% over Gragnani at his usual 40% any night.
Again with the Grags hate?
if a coach went 13 seasons without a cup in any other city, do you think they’d still be behind the bench?Sigh.
However we can hope for a turn-around like the Blues have seen since Hitchcock took over.They were one of the top puck possession teams before they fired their coach, chances are they would have turned it around either way.
I find it hard to fault him in years past as he managed to pull in some impressive young talent (Gerbe, Ennis, Myers, Enroth, Adam).Miller, Drury, Briere, Campbell, Pominville, Roy…
a GM that has trouble bringing in big name talentErhoff was the big name defenseive free agent last season. Revisionist history.
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Regehr and Erhoff back tonight
I have a feeling they’re finally going to win tonight and end the streak. I think this will be the first time in a long time that Lindy has his “starting” defensive lineup, and I think that’s going to take the pressure off some guys who have had a little too much to handle lately and help them relax.
/runs to casino, puts $50 on Devils
by Frank Reich Revolution on Jan 24, 2012 5:25 PM EST reply actions
I believe theres multiple problems with the team. The buggest pegula darcy and lindy have no clue what the identity of this team is. pegula needs to blow it up. Fire darcy and lindy let the new gm find a coach and let them decide what the teams identity. The top three pegula darcy lindy have become enablers. Pegula says no one will be traded enabler at least tell them their playing for their carears. Lindy offers no consequence for guys not giving it their all or making bone headed plays. Darcy brought in the guys and offered these huge contracts that mafe them feel to.secure and rewarded leino.for beating us.
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by matthew62 on Jan 24, 2012 5:32 PM EST via mobile reply actions
WHY would Pegula possibly say that? He’s just come in as owner, given the go ahead for these new contracts (not just the new names but also the renewals on guys like Staff) AND talked at length about making Buffalo “hockey heaven” and a great place for players AND their families.
And you expect that in half a season he’s going to do something to go against ALL of that by throwing in the towel when there’s been such a huge injury issue. I’m sorry dude, but none of that makes sense.
by JSCoope on Jan 25, 2012 1:21 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
WAS PEGULA A BAD THING??????
HELLLLLLLLLLLL NO! are you kidding me? pegula is a BILLIONAIRE who has interest in the BUFFALO SABRES! sorry folks, but since golisano skipped town, buffalo’s not really overflowing with rich people who can afford to purchase a professional sports team. don’t think that the sabres could be up and moved halfway across the country to a city with money? take a look at the buffalo bills! hmmmmmm!!! pegula coming in was a God-send… now what he needs to do is set up the pieces from the top, down. he came in and didn’t change anything with the front-office (except telling them ‘go ahead and spend money’). maybe it’s time that he replace management.
as for ruff… i respect that organization has stuck with him through thick & thin… i think this shows character (other teams have ditched coaches for farrrrrrr far less).
the sabres need new management, and need to consider a 5 year rebuild.
Honest question
I know you’re a Leafs fan. Do you really think the Sabres are broken enough to warrant a 5 year rebuild being 2 years from the Northeast Division Championship?

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