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Devil's Advocate: The Sabres' Season Is Not Done Yet

Since Lucic hit Miller on November 12th, the Sabres have won just over a quarter of their games while going 9-19-5. The likelihood they make the playoffs is 1.1% according to Hockey-Reference and 0.3% according to Sports Club Stats; roulette appears to be a more attractive option than following the Sabres for the rest of the season. These websites use sophisticated models and many reasonable assumptions; however, the Sabres' playoff hopes improve dramatically by removing the assumption that they will continue to play as poorly as they have been.

Before discussing the results of a simpler analysis where the Sabres' probability of winning any given game is varied, I want to mention two assumptions. First, to make the playoffs, a team needs to win 41 games. The analysis is much simpler by considering wins instead of points. This season, 22% of all games have gone to overtime, which means that a team would expect to go to overtime 18 times. If a team won exactly half of their games that ended in regulation and half that ended in overtime, they would finish with a record of 41-32-9 and 91 points. The 41 win assumption is fairly consistent with needing 91 points to make the playoffs. Second, the Sabres have an equal chance of winning any given game; there is no adjustment for strength of schedule. There are enough games left that this should be a reasonable assumption.

Star-divide

By assuming that the Sabres are actually a good team that should have a winning percentage of 60%, instead of a 19-24-5 team with a winning percentage just under 40%, the playoffs become a reasonable goal. To reach 41 wins, the Sabres need to win 22 of their remaining 34 games, a winning percentage of 64.71%. Playing that well over the last 34 games seems impossible now, but on November 11th, the Sabres beat Ottawa 5-1, and were 10-5-0, a winning percentage of 66.67%. What if those Sabres came back? They would have to dig themselves out of a hole, but how big a hole is it? By using binomial probability and the above assumptions of 1) 41 wins makes the playoffs and 2) constant win probability for every game, I created the following table that lists the chances of making the playoffs for win probabilities between 35% and 70%.

Win Probability Playoff Likelihood
35% 0.04%
40% 0.31%
45% 1.64%
50% 6.07%
55% 16.74%
60% 35.42%
65% 59.19%
70% 80.71%

Although reaching what looked like rock bottom and then losing 5 games in a row doesn't give much reason to be optimistic, the Sabres still have time to make a run if they become a good team again. They should be a good team. They made the playoffs last year and bringing in Leino, Ehrhoff, and Regehr is an upgrade on paper over Connolly, Butler, and Montador. Additionally, the core players are still young and should be improving, or at least not declining. There's no denying that Roy, Stafford, Boyes, and Leino are all performing well below expectations. However, they could all finish the season playing at or above expectations. If things keep going the way they are, the Sabres have a legitimate shot at the number 1 pick next year. If they can resume playing like they did at the beginning of the season, they have a decent chance at making the playoffs. Anything can happen once they're in; the '99 Cup Final team was a 7 seed. There's still a lot of hockey left to play.

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roulette appears to be a more attractive option than following the Sabres for the rest of the season

You forgot to put Russian in front of roulette. lol

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by mob16151 on Jan 23, 2012 10:06 AM EST reply actions  

Playoffs

At what point do you accept that making it to the playoffs (or more importantly, making it beyond round 1) is too unlikely to gamble for, and that tanking for a lottery pick will be more beneficial than falling short of the playoffs and getting special out of it…? I think that point is just about now.

by lassathrax on Jan 23, 2012 10:58 AM EST reply actions  

*getting nothing special

by lassathrax on Jan 23, 2012 10:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Will Hit Bottom Soon

The Sabres should hit bottom with a loss to the Devils tomorrow. After that they wil likely improve to a mediocre team, winning about half of the remaining games. They will win just enough games to ensure that Buffalo will not get a low-numbered draft pick. This team hates their coach, their fans, their goalies and each other. They do, however, love the owner who has lavished millions of dollars, loyalty and sumptuous luxury on his unworthy employees.

by Geolover on Jan 23, 2012 12:08 PM EST reply actions  

How do the goalies feel about the fans, since the non-goalie players hate us? Do they like the fans as a “enemy of my enemy is my friend” type situation? Do Enroth and Miller hate Pegula because he has chose to so closely align himself with the non-goalie players? I feel like we’re setting up a game of Diplomacy here.

by Philaster on Jan 23, 2012 1:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Lots of time left to turn it around for a run

just doesnt seem like the things that need to be done/happen are moving in the right direction.

Not that I could really tell as I remain in the twilight of my time warner,,,cycle.

New ownership may be a little green or just trying to transfer management styles of previous industry to the sports(the 1st pretty static where the 2nd fluid); but chances are they’ll get it right, prob not quick enough for many of us.

Bottom Line- The Coach must find a way for his players to Score Goals. This team has more than enough scorers on the roster at this point. A shake up generally works when you are getting partial production(not failure across the board) and you are punishing players when removing them not vice versa.

"Will&Work2Win"coach Karma420

by Blood, sweat & Win on Jan 23, 2012 1:14 PM EST reply actions  

It starts with team defense...

solid defense will allow them to break out the puck and get the transition game going. Then the offense will have more space to operate.

They are getting better at clearing space in front of the goalie. That’s the first step. The next steps are furious back checking and pestering fore checking.

Movement and puck movement on the power play will do wonders for goal scoring as well.

Go Sabres!

by drwho62 on Jan 23, 2012 2:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey Doc

jump in the booth for a second & flash back to the coaches playing days and D was his game. Zip forward to coaching & again it has been D w/top shelf goal tending. Or it has been his strength- Never a scorer or threat to do so & talented O players for him often have ended up in the ‘dog house’ or just under-perform… Or if he cant get the D straight, how in the world are they going to score the goal necc. to win?

I agree D is very important, but this situation goes well beyond that, including, if not especially, the locker room.

"Will&Work2Win"coach Karma420

by Blood, sweat & Win on Jan 24, 2012 11:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Part of that is that we’re at a sorry lack of solid two way forwards, who excel under Ruff. There’s Hecht, Ellis and…? Pominville and Vanek do an alright job at backchecking and they’re leagues better than they were, but I wouldn’t call them two-way forwards. Kaleta does an okay job defensively as well, but his true game has been limited. Everyone else is more or less offensive wingers and Centermen.
Chris Drury was a star under the system and nowhere else. JP Dumont had a solid two way game as well, as did Grier. If I were looking to make this team better, I would avoid the superstars and look at the best two way players to target while everyone else salivates over the superstars. But that’s only if they stick with Ruff. I don’t think this team is well suited to Ruff’s style.

by Philaster on Jan 24, 2012 1:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed. In seasons passed, I might argue that Roy and Connolly were decent at two-way play, but now one of them is gone and the other seems (key word: seems) to have checked out mentally. The newer forwards (Ennis, Adam, and sometimes Gerbe) are not very effective on the backcheck at all (especially Adam). Hecht, Gaustad, and Ellis do an OK job, and Vanek and Pominville are certainly above average defensively, but guys like Stafford, Roy, Leino, and Adam are not helping this team much at all lately, they need to get their acts together if this team has any hopes of improving by the offseason.

by lassathrax on Jan 24, 2012 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Roy has his moments of two-way play. Stafford has been downright awful at it this year. On the other hand, Roy looks like he doesn’t know what to do when he has the puck in the offensive zone, whereas Stafford does, but looks completely snakebitten.
I’ve actually thought Gaustad’s play in his own end has been declining for years.

by Philaster on Jan 24, 2012 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I would hesitate to say that Ruff has a definite style.

He certainly doesn’t have a “my way or no way” mentality.

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by Ogre39666 on Jan 24, 2012 5:57 PM EST up reply actions  

his infamous 'doghouse'

speaks volumes for his

"my way or no way" mentality

"Will&Work2Win"coach Karma420

by Blood, sweat & Win on Jan 25, 2012 10:58 AM EST up reply actions  

What I meant by that is that he is not inflexible in his coaching philosophy.

He preached defense first when the team required that (Hasek era) and he implemented a high-tempo, offensive style when the team required that (post-lockout).

Save Jenrry Mejia!
2012 Amazin' Avenue Offseason Plan: 2nd place

by Ogre39666 on Jan 25, 2012 11:21 AM EST up reply actions  

ahh

required strong D when Hasek was in net? Isnt he the best goalie we have ever had?

"Will&Work2Win"coach Karma420

by Blood, sweat & Win on Jan 26, 2012 11:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Exactly

Ruff is a ‘grinder’ coach(as he was player) or 2 way players. Vanek & possibly Pominville are near elite scorers adapting to his system. European players, by large, Love to score & play O. Druey was the ultimate 2 way player of late that was accelerated by BToms mojo & conservative, controlling mgmt style.(accounting)

"Will&Work2Win"coach Karma420

by Blood, sweat & Win on Jan 25, 2012 10:57 AM EST up reply actions  

coaching well rounded players isnt a bad thing

molding players into things that is against their nature will always yield mediocrity, which is what Ruff was as a player & coach.

How about letting the D & goalie take care of that end of the rink & unleashing the O players to put 4 or 5 in the net, every night? Much, much more entertaining hockey & this team would respond to that change like white on rice.

"Will&Work2Win"coach Karma420

by Blood, sweat & Win on Jan 26, 2012 11:07 AM EST up reply actions  

We are living proof

Fired our coach and installed a new system and the team play speaks volumes. We are 7-2-1 in our last 10 home games and have become more competitive quickly.

If nothing changes in Buffalo, you guys will drop below us soon. Sometimes you just have to make changes to shake things up!

In Kirk we Trust

by Mullett on Jan 23, 2012 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Assuming you are referring to Carolina, some of us would (at this point) like to drop below you for that draft pick glory. Changes can always wait until the off-season.

by lassathrax on Jan 23, 2012 4:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Why would we want to get better, we’re already third-last!

OPERATION TANK IS A GO. It’s the only explanation for Mike Weber. He’s on a secret mission.

by Ubiquitous on Jan 24, 2012 9:54 AM EST up reply actions  

I used to hate Kirk Muller when he played for the Canadiens. Especially during their ‘93 cup Run where they beat the Sabres in 4 straight (albeit very close)games after the Sabres finally beat the Bruins in the first round. He was a beast.
Anyway, there really isn’t anyone to replace Ruff with. He’s been a great coach for us. The consensus with us is that we’d rather get rid of (some of) the players than Ruff.

by Philaster on Jan 23, 2012 5:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Thank you

Not sure if u are Washington or the Blues, but change is a big part of things, especially in sports entertainment, when the W, as opposed to the $, is the goal.

"Will&Work2Win"coach Karma420

by Blood, sweat & Win on Jan 24, 2012 10:59 AM EST up reply actions  

He’s a Canes fan.

by Philaster on Jan 24, 2012 1:04 PM EST up reply actions  

rest

Take the rest of the year off, get the first pick, get a NEW GM AND COACH, GET RID OF MILLER

by ban him on Jan 23, 2012 2:12 PM EST reply actions  

Lets look at the data closer from:
http://www.sportsclubstats.com/NHL/Eastern/Northeast/Buffalo.html
For them to get above a 50% chance at making the playoffs, the Sabres need to go
Win 21 games and lose in OT 5 times in 34 games picking up 47 points out of a possible 68 points.

21 wins in 34 games. That means at least 7 three game win streaks. This from a team that has yet to put back to back wins together. If we lose more than one game in a row, the required win streaks become even greater.

Lets not kid ourselves. The 0.3% is a true marker of how likely the Sabres are making the playoffs. As fans of a Buffalo team we are use to heartbreak time and time again. It seems the sole purpose of the teams (not to win championships) are to build up our hopes only to smash them in some new and profound way.

Dont get me wrong though. I am a Sabres fan for life. The team runs through my blood. I watch most games on gamecenter live (they dont really carry hockey in Oklahoma) and die a little bit more every time we lose. But every year starts anew and I put on my jersey, throw down some god-awful amount of money to watch my Sabres remotely.

by Sn1perX on Jan 23, 2012 2:25 PM EST reply actions  

Your story!

Your article dose not take into account the play of Miller, which, was significantly better last year. Although anything is possible, given the goaltender play, I would say their chances of making the playoffs are virtually non-existant. Fortunately, I am not 100% correct all the time, lol!

by Coach Bob on Jan 23, 2012 2:26 PM EST reply actions  

I bet my Dad they would still make the playoffs..

$3 on the line, yo!

Of course they can still make the playoffs – I refuse to believe otherwise. it’s a head game, a confidence thing. MAYBE some change occurs but either way the attitude needs to change from sad sack woe is me to fuckin deserved winner and when THAT happens, they will finish strong. It starts with a win and that win is coming.

by joeysimms on Jan 23, 2012 3:03 PM EST reply actions  

You really do have too much time on your hands.

by Geolover on Jan 23, 2012 3:43 PM EST reply actions  

haha.. you and me both, it would seem.

by joeysimms on Jan 23, 2012 4:40 PM EST up reply actions  

No way we make it...

I wish we would, but hopefully a Top puck could help us turn things around. This season is a wash.

"@Katebits: At this rate Sarah Maclachlan is going to start making sad commercials about the Sabres soon."

by bflo on Jan 23, 2012 4:23 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Playoffs

Sabres, in the playoffs, this year? The check’s in the mail, I never bet on baseball, I’ll still respect you in the morning and I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky. The other one is too graphic for this site as it involves oral sex and orgasm.

by markw6239 on Jan 23, 2012 9:20 PM EST reply actions  

The Answers are: Mike Grier, Feng Shui, and Voodoo

The question is name three things that might help the Sabres make the playoffs. I was tempted to make it “four things”, by putting Tim Connolly in there, but I now what a lightning rod he is around here.

As noted, improvements have been made on paper, but the team is underachieving in ways never before dreamed. Grier brought some toughness, veteran leadership, calm, and class that might be missing from the locker room these days. Pommer’s a fine captain, who has been leading by example, but maybe he’s just not the statesman that Grier was.

One of Pegula’s first orders of business was to re-model the home arena. Perhaps he inadvertently has damaged something non-structural. By that, I mean to suggest that the flow of energy around the team has been disturbed. Before you laugh, think carefully about what other explanations exist for such a spectacular drop in performance from an ostensibly talented group of players led by the same man who has coached relative stiffs through unexpectedly deep playoff campaigns.

If the first two things are not true. then the final one must be. Someone must have put a voodoo curse on the team. I have reason to believe that the same thing happened to the Mets a number of years back, when it looked like they finally would challenge for the N.L. East crown. For those of you who do/did not follow the Mets, they were a good team that seemed finally to have added the last few Championship pieces. Somehow, they instead endured historic collapses and an unimaginable string of injuries over the next “at this point, have lost count” seasons — continuing right up through today.

If there is a curse, then somebody needs to give Terry Pegs the number of a powerful Santero. Otherwise, he might be headed the way of the Wilpons soon.

by chin8tao on Jan 23, 2012 9:33 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Mike Grier is a very competitive guy from what I understand. He hates losing. I can really only see Vanek and Miller matching his intensity on this team.

by Philaster on Jan 23, 2012 10:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I am quite confiadent that Pegula is a much smarter business man than Fred Wilpon.

I don’t think he will ever have to take out loans to pay the debt from other loans that he took out to pay debt.

Save Jenrry Mejia!
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by Ogre39666 on Jan 24, 2012 12:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Didn’t he lose hundreds of millions from Madoff? Our financial system is like this Sabres season….

"We’re gonna win the Stanley Cup. Then, you know what, we’re gonna win it again,"
-Terry Pegula

by bgred105 on Jan 24, 2012 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

The main problem was he deferred a bunch of payments, planned to invest it with Madoff and pocket the profits (as the rate of return was higher than the interest he paid on the deferred money)
Or something like that.

OPERATION TANK IS A GO. It’s the only explanation for Mike Weber. He’s on a secret mission.

by Ubiquitous on Jan 24, 2012 2:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Bobby Bonilla one of those deferred payments? He is making $1.2 mil a year until he is 67…starting last year or something like that. That is ridiculous…and I am totally jealous.

"We’re gonna win the Stanley Cup. Then, you know what, we’re gonna win it again,"
-Terry Pegula

by bgred105 on Jan 24, 2012 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, Wilpon had this great plan, he let all his players on this “Great Deal” where he would give them their money later plus an above-market interest rate, invest it at a higher interest rate and pocket profits on other people’s money. Because he was making free money he didn’t consider how terrible this plan was.

OPERATION TANK IS A GO. It’s the only explanation for Mike Weber. He’s on a secret mission.

by Ubiquitous on Jan 24, 2012 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow.

And I think I make bad decisions…..

"We’re gonna win the Stanley Cup. Then, you know what, we’re gonna win it again,"
-Terry Pegula

by bgred105 on Jan 24, 2012 3:04 PM EST up reply actions  

This was never confirmed (at least to my knowledge)

but it’s pretty same to assume it was at least offered.

Save Jenrry Mejia!
2012 Amazin' Avenue Offseason Plan: 2nd place

by Ogre39666 on Jan 24, 2012 6:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Well he made tons of money with him over the years but lost some when Madoff got caught and is now being sued by the trustees.

Initially they sought $1B in restitution but that number has since come down to at most $300M. The trail should start next month I think.
What is really maddening is that they had a minority owner all set up, but since they got the favorable ruling that limited the claw-back to $300M, Wilpon backed out of the deal with some late shenanigans. It was a pretty sweet deal for David Einhorn, but backing out ultimately cost them a shot at re-signing Reyes. So now they are trying to sell off tiny shares at $20M each but have yet to officially sell a single one. Basically Wilpon is so intent on remaining the owner of the New York Mets that he would rather see Citi Field in flames then someone else as owner.
And Wilpon is swimming in debt. They have multiple loans from banks and they maxed out their credit with the MLB.

Save Jenrry Mejia!
2012 Amazin' Avenue Offseason Plan: 2nd place

by Ogre39666 on Jan 24, 2012 6:10 PM EST up reply actions  

So he is just being really selfish at this point, and not willing to see that his better days are behind him? That must be a horrible situation as a Mets fan.

"We’re gonna win the Stanley Cup. Then, you know what, we’re gonna win it again,"
-Terry Pegula

by bgred105 on Jan 24, 2012 6:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Yup.

Hence the avatar.
Another maddening thing is that he says he loves the Mets and is a fan first, yet if that were true, he would be selling the team to someone who can support a decent payroll. Selfish and a lier. And condescending/delusional.

Oh, and since Bud Selig is best pals with Wilpon (Wilpon played a key role in getting Selig appointed), there is no pressure from the league for them to fix the situation.

Save Jenrry Mejia!
2012 Amazin' Avenue Offseason Plan: 2nd place

by Ogre39666 on Jan 24, 2012 7:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I still think its horrible that a former owner is a commissioner in that league. No other league has that, and I would think it would hold a lot less bias if it was an outside guy.

"We’re gonna win the Stanley Cup. Then, you know what, we’re gonna win it again,"
-Terry Pegula

by bgred105 on Jan 24, 2012 11:24 PM EST up reply actions  

People complain about Bettman

but Selig is much worse. The new CBA is horrible.

Save Jenrry Mejia!
2012 Amazin' Avenue Offseason Plan: 2nd place

by Ogre39666 on Jan 25, 2012 12:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Turn things around

I believe the Sabres can make the playoffs if the following occur…

They score goals!

by Buffyfan07 on Jan 23, 2012 10:02 PM EST reply actions  

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