Community Research Project.
by Ogre39666 on Jan 17, 2012 8:44 PM EST
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PrintI'm trying to gather data for a possible study/article. Follow after the jump for the details.
What I'm looking for:
Goalies who have suffered a concussion.
What I have so far:
March 29, 2011. Source. Source.
November 12, 2011. Source.
November 21, 2011. Source. Source.
(Also apparently had one in Juniors (date?) - see above source.)
November 5, 2011. Source.
(Was in AHL when incident occurred.)
October 22, 2011. Source.
March 13, 2007. Source. Source.
February 4, 2011. Source.
October 12, 2011. Source.
December 20, 2011. Source.
(Date?) 2011. Source(?)
November 28, 2004. Source.
January 30, 2011. Source.
(It was eventually diagnosed as vertigo after symptoms recurred, but if it waddles like a duck and quacks like a duck...)
October 8, 2010. Source.
December 10, 2008. Source.
January 4, 2007. Source.
February 3,2008. Source.
October 29, 2005. Source.
Jocelyn Thibault:
March 9, 2003. Source.
Mike Richter:
March 22, 2002. Source.
November 5, 2002. Source. Source.
December 12, 2002. Source.
April 5, 2002. Source. Source.
Mike Vernon:
December 20, 2000. Source.
Jamie Storr:
December 11, 1999. Source.
Pete Peeters:
November 5, 1989. Source.
Doug Favell:
September 25, 1969. Source.
Jacques Plante:
March(?) 1958. Source.
How to help:
In the comments, please respond with the goalie's name, the date of the incident, and a source. If you can only provide one or two of the three, that's fine. Every bit helps.
Also, anywhere you see a (?), that means I need a clarification - such as a date.
Thanks in advance.
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Al Montoya
"You never have to wait long, or look far, to be reminded of how thin the line is between being a hero or a goat."
- Mickey Mantle
NHL:
Dan Cloutier:
10/29/2005 Source
Josh Harding:
11/28/2004Source
Al Montoya:
12/20/2011 Source
Ondrej Pavelec:
10/8/2010 Source
Jacques Plante:
3/?/1958 Source*
*referenced to some book, I would look into more depending what kind of research this is
Mike Smith:
1/4/2007 Source
2008-2009 Source
Mike Vernon:
12/20/2000 Source
COLLEGE:
Alyssa Grogan:
10/18/2010 Source
David Herman:
1/?/2011 Source
1/4/2012 Source
JUNIORS:
Andrey Makarov:
1/10/2012 Source
"We’re gonna win the Stanley Cup. Then, you know what, we’re gonna win it again,"
-Terry Pegula
Just looking NHL?
I imagine you are, but I added some others I found. Wikipedia is sourced a few times…obviously this is no good for academic research, but maybe with some more digging you can find an actual article which is better.
Have you been able to find any NHL Injury Lists? I tried looking to find lists from previous years, but that seemed to be a struggle. I would think the NHL would keep such information…it would be stupid not to. For contact information, I only see the NHL advertising and sales team, so I am not sure if it is possible to get ahold of someone that could get you a list of that information.
One website I see pop up over and over again is theconcussionblog.com. They have 125 posts for all NHL concussions here; not sure how helpful they are, but they say they have concussion lists for the NHL players that get injured throughout the year. Overall, the stats from this blog show that about 2-3% of the concussion in the NHL occur to goalies, while the other positions have a much higher percentage (due to open ice hits and high sticks I imagine),
"We’re gonna win the Stanley Cup. Then, you know what, we’re gonna win it again,"
-Terry Pegula
Yeah, I'm looking for just NHL.
The NHL isn’t too good about providing information – I mean they stopped tracking the blocks stat a few years back. I’ll check out that blog though.
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Mike Smith
2/3/2009 Source
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This list is pretty depressing. None of the goalies listed have been good since their concussions.
by Andrew Brautigam on Jan 18, 2012 10:09 AM EST reply actions
You're my favorite DBTBer
The hockey media needs more people like you who do their research and back up their claims/arguments with data.
by lassathrax on Jan 18, 2012 12:42 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
I can’t believe you prefer facts & statistics to capital letters and multiple exclamation points. What the hell is wrong with you, dude? Obviously you just don’t care enough. Bad, bad fan.
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by willgarr15 on Jan 18, 2012 3:38 PM EST via Android app up reply actions 1 recs
Can’t someone have an opinion in the middle ground between data and capital letter and exclamation points and still have an intelligent point? CAN’T THEY!!!!! (See what I did there?).
We are so quick to site the extremes around here.
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by bluecollarbuffalo on Jan 19, 2012 7:47 AM EST up reply actions
????
I’m not sure the part you are referring to unless you are referencing my attempt at sarcasm?
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by bluecollarbuffalo on Jan 19, 2012 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
Never mind
I suppose reasonable intelligibility give or take a misused word really is the new middle ground.
Really, b/c I didn’t write “cite” on a hockey blog I’m now an idiot? Please. Sorry if my typo brought down the intelligence of the site (Or is it cite? or sight?).
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by bluecollarbuffalo on Jan 19, 2012 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
There is obviously a place for opinion.
Speaking for myself, it gets annoying and tedious when you have people who treat opinion as fact though.
The header does say " Buffalo Sabres Blog for Intelligent Fans". One thing that makes for intelligent fans is knowing where opinion stops, and fact begins.
And with regard to Kate’s comment, I don’t think she (it is “she”, right?) was saying there are only two types of comments. It’s just that, let’s call them the “exclamation point crowd”, they don’t seem to understand the difference between an opinion supported by logic and one only based on conjecture.
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I know….and you and I have had this discussion before (which we don’t need to revisit), but I feel the tone around here sometimes is one to make people who can’t research before every comment they make feel like idiots. Plus I absolutely hate the header here. It reminds me too much of Mike Schopp’s “Sports Talk for Smart People” on WNSA which made him sound pretty arrogant back in the day (I think he’s gotten a little better with that). Statistics are awesome….I’m not saying they aren’t. Some opinions are clearly more thought out than others, but I feel like there is a growing group of regular commenter who mock other commenters instead of stating why they disagree with someone (or ignoring the post entirely which would probably make that sort of thing go away relatively quickly) and leaving the intelligence level of the person (or people who have similar feelings) out of it. It’s that sort of thing I find frustrating, but I think it bothers me b/c there isn’t a whole lot original to say about the Sabres until they: Start winning, totally implode in outrageous fashion, fire someone, or trade someone.
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by Ogre39666 on Jan 18, 2012 3:31 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Rec’ing Ogre’s rec of Lass calling him his favorite contributor!
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by bgred105 on Jan 18, 2012 5:54 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Emailed Dustin Fink @ concussionblog.net
He had data for NHL goalies with concussions the past two years:
This year
Al Montoya
Josh Harding
Steve Mason
Ryan Miller
James Reimer
Last year
Jonas Hiller
Ryan Miller
Ondrej Pavelec
That is what I have… Good Luck…
More Info:
Steve Mason:
11/?/2011 Source
Also minor concussion while in juniors.
I could not find info on the Josh Harding concussion from this year…but I guess he had one? Hope this helps.
"We’re gonna win the Stanley Cup. Then, you know what, we’re gonna win it again,"
-Terry Pegula
Thinking about reaching out to other SBN blogs.
This is a great start but I can’t help but think there are some others we’ve yet to find.
Anyone have any idea how receptive they’d be?
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most likely very receptive
I’ve reached out to other blogs before, and they’ve been receptive. Although it was not hockey related.
Ryan Miller was the true MVP. See my profile for rant.
I think I’m going to stop trying. Every time I find one I think you don’t have, I reread your list and realize that you already have it. Oh well. Great idea.
I think the other blogs would be very receptive. Plus, it would make this easier b/c I can remember Sabres who have received concussions quicker than I can Flyers who have received them.
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by bluecollarbuffalo on Jan 19, 2012 8:16 AM EST reply actions
It is really hard to find
The data is not really easily available to anyone, which I do not appreciate. I have seen papers written that discuss this topic, but they only deal with percentages and not discrete data points that we have above. I contacted the NHL to see if they have injury lists from the past that they would send to us…but I have not heard back from them yet.
"We’re gonna win the Stanley Cup. Then, you know what, we’re gonna win it again,"
-Terry Pegula
For some reason I don't think you'll get a response.
Thanks for trying though.
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Oh I am not optimistic.
In other papers that study the subject on a whole, they acquired their data sets from media sources. To me, I would not know why TSN, ESPN, NBC, or whatever media source would hide that information. It does not take a lot of space to have a page with all injuries for a season.
"We’re gonna win the Stanley Cup. Then, you know what, we’re gonna win it again,"
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Heres a yahoo story from today
http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/news?slug=nc-3periods-maple-leafs-reimer-sabres-miller-011912
I hate that I love Buffalo.
I read that.
I was afraid he was going to steal my thunder. Luckily he just supplied a lot of really good anecdotal evidence.
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Can't find any verification whatsoever for Richter 1998
Even the wikipedia article you link has no mention of it.
You know what I totally misread that part of his Wikipedia page.
Thanks. Updated.
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And I'm referring to these two sentences:
Nevertheless, he was selected as the top goalie for Team USA in the 1998 and 2002 Olympics, winning a silver medal in the 2002 Games. A year later a skull fracture and concussion forced him to retire,
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