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What Next? #OccupySabres?

It's difficult to write about the Buffalo Sabres nowadays without spewing three grades of vitriol or using colorful language normally used by salty sea dogs. The Sabres are in an identical situation at this point as they were last year, but it looks like nothing is shaking this team out of their slumber this time around. Last season Terry Pegula's purchase of the Sabres led to a sense of renewed optimism both on and off the ice, and the team finished the second half strong and made it into the playoffs. This year though there's a sense of impending doom, that things might actually get worse before they get better.

What is it about this year though? Moments that could morph into turning points come dime a dozen, but the Sabres aren't taking the opportunities. One never really knows what it takes - after all, when goalie Ryan Miller got bulldozed by Milan Lucic who knew that would be a turning point? The Sabres hitherto promising season suddenly went kaput, and while it can be argued that it was sheer coincidence all the injuries started piling up since then, there is no doubting now that the fragile psyche of this team was quite irreparably damaged.

Is it going to take a firing, or a trade? Maybe it's time for an #OccupySabres by the fans to kickstart things.

Star-divide

Are the playoffs a pipe dream at this point? There is little doubt that if another couple of weeks of the current mediocrity continues then the Sabres will become sellers with this season for all means and purposes considered down the drain. The playoffs cutoff has been 93, 88, 93, 94 and 92 points in the last five seasons - with 41 points in the first 42 games, the Sabres are going to need 50+ in their remaining 40 to contend for even eighth place.

There are eight games left in January for the team, with all but one on the road. Something's going to give very soon, so here are a few possible scenarios that could come true by the end of this month:

  • Away from the FNC morgue, the team bonds and rallies together, putting up ten points of the sixteen on offer before the end of the month. With no new injuries and players like Derek Roy, Christian Ehrhoff, Andrej Sekera and Tyler Ennis coming back, hopes for a second half revival start coming true and the Sabres slowly climb up the standings. The management decides to return to the plan of 'win now' and is proactive before the trade deadline, adding a couple of veteran forwards for secondary scoring and offensive depth.
  • OR

  • On the road, the zombie-like demeanor of the players continues to translate into poor performances. The Sabres show up for a couple of games during the stretch, but that is just a false dawn and the letdowns continue. With only a handful of points out of the eight games, GM Darcy Regier is forced to listen to some of the low-ball offers coming his way. His phone continues to ring as playoff-contending teams like Winnipeg, New Jersey, Nashville, Dallas, and Colorado send prospects and over-the-hill players his way.
  • OR

  • The Sabres sink to even direr depths, with reports of in-fighting in the locker room as the travel miles add up. Lindy Ruff's post-game interviews get more abrupt and he hears from NHL chief disciplinarian Brendan Shanahan after a stick thrown by Ruff knocks out Drew Stafford. The uproar in Buffalo reaches a crescendo and Ruff hands in his resignation with Regier removed soon after. Pegula and Ted Black announce that they will blow it all up and start again, with every player on the roster tradeable, and playing for his future.

"It has to start somewhere, has to start some time, what better place than here, what better time than now?" Rage Against The Machine - Guerilla Radio

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maybe we can rent out tony robbins to travel with the team and give them a motivational speech before every game!

by monk43085 on Jan 11, 2012 2:33 PM EST reply actions  

Good idea!

I would play better just to avoid having to listen to Tony Robbins.

by chin8tao on Jan 11, 2012 9:05 PM EST up reply actions  

TONY ROBBINS HUNGRY

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by Andy Boron on Jan 11, 2012 9:07 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

after a stick thrown by Ruff knocks out Drew Stafford.

That made me smile.

Also everyone on this team besides Vanek and Myers should be untouchable, and that now, not if we tank the road trip coming up.

I hate that I love Buffalo.

by bflo on Jan 11, 2012 2:33 PM EST reply actions  

I assume you mean Vanek and Myers should be untouchable, right? I’d like to keep Gerbe, too, love his effort. Everyone else can go if needed. I’m reminded of this from Superman Returns:

“I would trade three hundred THOUSAND coconuts and every ounce of your blood for a QUART OF GASOLINE!”

I just want one new player, a REALLY GOOD one, and I don’t really care who goes (beyond the ones listed above) to get them.

by TheTick on Jan 11, 2012 2:57 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I’d give up Myers in a heart beat to get a first-line center for Vanek.

by Geolover on Jan 11, 2012 3:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Franchise defensemen, who needs 'em!

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by Ogre39666 on Jan 11, 2012 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

it would suck

but it makes sense. there are tons of really good dmen down the line on this team. On the contrary, I don’t see a first line center anywhere down the pipeline. If that’s what it takes, then do it.

by lgbfromoregon on Jan 11, 2012 3:54 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought (hoped) that’s why we were stockpiling them anyway, to get a Center, or to trade, since PMDs are valued by other teams. If not, then maybe we should call Hoarders on Darcy.

by Philaster on Jan 11, 2012 4:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Luke Adam? He looks about as good as Derek Roy did when he came in the league.

As long as 70 minutes of ice time is being doled out to AHLers and Matt Ellis, the Sabres are basically doomed

by Ubiquitous on Jan 11, 2012 5:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I disagree.

Luke Adam can’t pass, he’s slow and he plays with zero tenacity.

by lgbfromoregon on Jan 12, 2012 1:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Derek Roy didn’t look very good in his rookie season. Now i didn’t watch a ton of Sabres games in 2003, but Roy was… not good.

As long as 70 minutes of ice time is being doled out to AHLers and Matt Ellis, the Sabres are basically doomed

by Ubiquitous on Jan 12, 2012 1:44 PM EST up reply actions  

In terms of stats, Roy was 9/10/19 in 49 gp in his rookie season and Luke Adam passed that despite playing less (but of course Roy didn’t get 10 points playing on the first line)

As long as 70 minutes of ice time is being doled out to AHLers and Matt Ellis, the Sabres are basically doomed

by Ubiquitous on Jan 12, 2012 1:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't remember much about then

but I’m sure it was clear what Roy’s strenghts were. Good skating & good puck skills. At this point I’m wondering what skills Adam possess that will make him a good center in this league. The one thing I can say is that he capitalizes on his chances (or at least he was earlier this year), and on this team that’s a huge deal. But to pencil him in as a future #2 center he needs to show some play making ability, which IMO he has not. He also uses his size about as well as Stafford, which is not very well at all.

by lgbfromoregon on Jan 12, 2012 1:52 PM EST up reply actions  

His first year was pre-lockout, so most people forget it.

As long as 70 minutes of ice time is being doled out to AHLers and Matt Ellis, the Sabres are basically doomed

by Ubiquitous on Jan 12, 2012 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

OOPS. MOBILE FAIL.

In other news adam just made the all star team. maybe i was being a little harsh lol

by lgbfromoregon on Jan 12, 2012 2:09 PM EST up reply actions  

The stats do back that he’s a good shooter. (though with 1 ahl season and half an nhl season of shooting data it’s not very reliable.) He’s got size obviously, and seems to be good in tight spaces. His passing is pretty poor, but I’m hoping he can work on that. I’m not too worried about playmaking abilities in our centers because we have a decent stock of playmaking wingers

As long as 70 minutes of ice time is being doled out to AHLers and Matt Ellis, the Sabres are basically doomed

by Ubiquitous on Jan 12, 2012 2:09 PM EST up reply actions  

From Hockeysfuture.com (who rank him a 7.5 B)
Talent Analysis
Coming out of Junior it was thought that Adam had a limited game, with little upside at the NHL level because of his weak skating. However he is very good in front of the net, and uses his size to his advantage as his ability to muck in the corners and chip away at rebounds can be an important asset. Where he was once considered a role player at best in the NHL, most talent evaluators will tell you that after winning the AHL rookie of the year award last season, Adam will be a future second liner in the NHL.

They also say that his skating has improved.

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by Ogre39666 on Jan 12, 2012 5:54 PM EST up reply actions  

The narrative is great with Gerbe, but he hasn’t shown me nearly enough to put him close to that status. I need results. This is two years in a row now he hasn’t really shown up in the first part of the season. He can play “scrappy” all he wants. If he isn’t scoring, he doesn’t get a pass in my box.

by Philaster on Jan 11, 2012 4:46 PM EST up reply actions  

31 points isn’t all that impressive for an offensive forward for season numbers. Sorry.

by Philaster on Jan 11, 2012 10:24 PM EST up reply actions  

When he only played in 64 games it's not to shabby.

In years when he’s had extended playing time (meaning ignoring his 10-game samplings in ‘08-’10) he’s put up a point in 47% of games played. Should he be “untouchable”? No. But he’s a damn fine piece especially when you consider that we’re talking about his first 2 seasons in the league and everything else he does (5th in hits and 9th in takeaways among the forwards with the only 9th highest Avg. Time on Ice).

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by Ogre39666 on Jan 12, 2012 12:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Tim Kennedy, in his only season for the Sabres, had 26 points. That’s only 5 fewer points, although it was in 14 fewer games. But he’s also not in the NHL anymore.
Nathan Gerbe is alright. But until he can score more than that, I just don’t value him that highly. It’s not like he’s a particularly punishing hitter.

by Philaster on Jan 12, 2012 3:38 AM EST up reply actions  

also, why are we supposed to disregard the three years he had trouble breaking the lineup?

doesn’t that say something about his ability? If anything, at this point the second half of last year is looknig like an apparition. This team needs to rid itself of inconsistency & unrealized potential. I’m tired of guys who have made a career out of one good season or less. I love Gerbe for his effort and heart, but I’m being realistic, I’m sorry but on a cup contending roster I don’t think he is anything better than a third liner.

by lgbfromoregon on Jan 12, 2012 1:18 PM EST up reply actions  

That being said

If I had to choose one, I’d take Gerbe over Ennis any day.

by lgbfromoregon on Jan 12, 2012 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

See there I disagree

Ennis could turn out to be Afinogenov, but he played in all 82 games least year and almost broke 50 points, and broke the 20 goal margin in his first full year. That’s impressive enough for me to give him a long look.

by Philaster on Jan 12, 2012 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

He tailed off last year

Right when gerbe surged. He also was a ghost in the playoffs for all but about two periods. I haven’t seen the intangibles out of him and a guy that size absolutely needs them. I do like watching him though and I think hes a good player, but I would not hesitate to include him in a deal for a center.

by lgbfromoregon on Jan 12, 2012 2:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

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He tailed off last year

You mean his rookie year? Rookies have dry spells. That’s par for the course.

I haven’t seen the intangibles out of him
I honestly don’t get this hangup everyone sees to have with intangibles (plus, it’s such a subjective term it’s all but useless). They kid has hands, a great shot, and wheels for days.

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by Ogre39666 on Jan 12, 2012 6:05 PM EST up reply actions  

so last year his excuse

for erratic play was he was young, this year it will be injuries. what will it be next year? We as fans over value our young and core players as much, if not more, than Darcy Regier.

by lgbfromoregon on Jan 13, 2012 10:28 AM EST up reply actions  

How many players besides Crosby or Ovechkin didn't have any tough times in his first two years?

You are holding something against Ennis that is normal.

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by Ogre39666 on Jan 13, 2012 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

To answer your question

not a lot of people come through their first two years unscaved, I understand that. But in Ennis’s case he has shown very little improvement since the beginning of last year, and when he’s been on the ice this year you could go so far as to say he’s regressed. I’m not saying i want him off the team, but I think you’re setting yourself up for a letdown if you’re expecting him to be a consistently effective top six forward. He doesn’t have the size or grit (yes, intangibles are VERY important and I dont understand how you could possibly dismiss them as “useless” after watching this team play right now) to play a lead scoring role on a cup winning team, IMO. If you believe otherwise, I respect that, but personally, I’m tired of waiting for guys to live up to their potential. Ennis is 22, which is not nearly as young by modern NHL standards as it used to be. If he hasn’t shown any consitency or improvement by now, I think you need to lay off the kool-aid if you think it’s going to magically appear.

by lgbfromoregon on Jan 13, 2012 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

to put it simply

Ennis has all the makings of another soft, inconsistent winger. You can argue differently, but you can’t dismiss the possibility that I could be right given what he has shown.

by lgbfromoregon on Jan 13, 2012 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Intangibles exist. I don't debate that.

What makes the term all but useless for our purposes is its extreme subjective nature. What is “soft” to one person is “gritty” to another and could by “punkish” to a third. That and we just don’t know how important they are on the grand scale of things.

And if not dismissing a player who has gone through the very normal experiences of a young, second year player is drinking look-aid, I’ll have a gallon. But I guess 20 goals in his rookie year should be dismissed because I WANT IT NOWNOWNOW.

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by Ogre39666 on Jan 13, 2012 3:25 PM EST up reply actions  

It could speak to his ability

or it could speak to the team’s depth at the time. Plus we all know how Darcy and co. feel about players getting extended playing time in the AHL. Not to mention that 10 game samples aren’t big enough to be reflective of much of anything.

This team needs to rid itself of inconsistency & unrealized potential.

The kid is in his sophomore year! If every player who had an inconstant first 2 years was banished from the league, there wouldn’t be many players left (Miller and Myers for example).

I’m sorry but on a cup contending roster I don’t think he is anything better than a third liner.
I’m not saying he is. Some where saying he should be close to untouchable status and I disagreed.

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by Ogre39666 on Jan 12, 2012 6:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm just really tired of having to wait

For players to make an impact. in the modern nhl it is not uncommon for forwards to make an immediate impact, yet I’m supposed to feel optimistic about a 24 year old who has just recently earned a permanent spot on the roster and has a whopping 14 points? Give me a freakin break.

by lgbfromoregon on Jan 13, 2012 10:24 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Where does he get off not being an immediate star? The nerve.

Teams do need role players. Gerbe is shaping up to be a pretty good one.

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by Ogre39666 on Jan 13, 2012 2:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I love Gerbe as a role player

which is why I think he makes a good third liner. But expecting him to play a scorers role, which i think many are, is asking for trouble.

by lgbfromoregon on Jan 13, 2012 2:25 PM EST up reply actions  

It should be noted, in points/gm they aren't similiar at all

Tim Kennedy: .33
Nathan Gerbe: .48
So therefore Gerbe scored 45% more points per game.. which is substantial. (that’s the difference between 28 goals and 40 goals, for example.)

As long as 70 minutes of ice time is being doled out to AHLers and Matt Ellis, the Sabres are basically doomed

by Ubiquitous on Jan 12, 2012 2:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes

But this wasn’t 28 goals and 40 goals. It was a lot fewer for both players. The percentage just gets skewed because each point matters when the point total is lower. And in some sense, it’s a bit deceiving too because Kennedy got work at Center (on the third line almost exclusively) whereas Gerbe has moved around more.
I understand Kennedy not being good enough. But I also hate that we are now short at the Center position.

by Philaster on Jan 12, 2012 2:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Ennis/Pominville are as much centers as Kennedy was.

As long as 70 minutes of ice time is being doled out to AHLers and Matt Ellis, the Sabres are basically doomed

by Ubiquitous on Jan 12, 2012 2:25 PM EST up reply actions  

He was a much better passer/possession guy than Ennis was and thus a more natural Center in my mind.

by Philaster on Jan 12, 2012 5:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I’ll accept no records between 8-0 and 0-8

As long as 70 minutes of ice time is being doled out to AHLers and Matt Ellis, the Sabres are basically doomed

by Ubiquitous on Jan 11, 2012 2:36 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

We are heroically charging into Fail for Nail contention.

by Frank Reich Revolution on Jan 11, 2012 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Nail will go 1st or 2nd overall.

We won’t catch Carolina or Columbus. Radek Faksa on the other hand could very well still be in reach. Kid is 6-3, 200 lbs. power forward with over point-per-game production in the OHL.

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by Ogre39666 on Jan 11, 2012 4:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I’d rather if they were to bottom out, to Fail for Hail.. as in Mikhail Grigorenko. I think Grigorenko could fall between 3 and 5 in the draft. There’s also Alex Galchenyuk and Zemgus Girgensons that could be had in the 3 through 10 range. They’re all bigger Centers who are known for their scoring touch and have a physical side.

"If we needed any more motivation to win a Cup sooner than later, we've got one now," Black said. "I really want to listen to the game that RJ calls when he finally gets to shout out, 'Buffalo wins the Stanley Cup.'"
"Do it or Die Trying."

by FloridaBuffalo on Jan 11, 2012 5:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Faksa is listed as a center too.

Grigorenko is likely to go #2 (at least as of now since he’s ranked #2 by Central Scouting). After him and Nail you have a lot of defensemen, Alex Galchenyuk who’s a bit of a wild card, and Faksa who is ranked #4.

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by Ogre39666 on Jan 11, 2012 7:27 PM EST up reply actions  

The rankings that came out today were for players currently playing in north America, that Forsberg kid trom Sweden is a forward and is ranked #1 on the list of players currently playing in Europe

"If we needed any more motivation to win a Cup sooner than later, we've got one now," Black said. "I really want to listen to the game that RJ calls when he finally gets to shout out, 'Buffalo wins the Stanley Cup.'"
"Do it or Die Trying."

by FloridaBuffalo on Jan 11, 2012 11:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

From everything I've heard Nail and Grigorenko are the consensus #1 and #2. Forsberg is probably be the #3 forward overall (I did forget about him).

Now of course that could change from now till then. So if the year continues the way it has, considering the defensemen that are going to populate the top-10 picks, we should have our pick of Forsberg, Faksa, or Galchenyuk. Although Columbus and Carolina (if they even get the top-2 picks in the lottery) could very well decide to go with defense and pass on Nail and Grigorenko, so who knows.

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by Ogre39666 on Jan 12, 2012 12:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Remember that all we have to do is finish in the bottom four. Then, we just hope the ping pong ball goes our way.

Die By The Blade - Where we've even turned ourselves around since January 1st.

by Zachary Zielonka on Jan 11, 2012 8:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Forgot about that.

Even so, this is a great draft to get a high-end center since Nail isn’t head and shoulders about centers Faksa or Grigorenko.

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by Ogre39666 on Jan 11, 2012 8:39 PM EST up reply actions  

The frustrating thing to me

They essentially bet on some players over others. As Harrington noted the other day – the Sabres basically picked Nathan Paetsch over Dennis Wideman. That would have been a guy they could have used now, over someone who Lindy couldn’t decide whether he was a forward or d-man and is now playing in Germany I believe. I PRAY that doesn’t happen to Gragnani.
Who else? Paille, MacArthur, Kennedy….It’s tough to see them making that much of a difference, to be honest, and if Pegula were the owner, MacArthur and Kennedy at least might still be Sabres. But they were never really given the chance to form their own “core” either. Darcy has sacrificed a lot for the core and hasn’t gotten enough back. That is why I resent them.

by Philaster on Jan 11, 2012 3:12 PM EST reply actions  

Not sure I understand.

Are you upset because Paille, MacArthur, Kennedy weren’t given the shot to be part of the core? I seem to remember then not being very good players. Are you upset because we drafted Roy, Miller, Pomers, and Myers instead of other players?

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by Ogre39666 on Jan 11, 2012 3:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m kind of ambivalent. Wideman is a clear blunder on Darcy’s part, but he generally evaluates talent well. Paille is a fourth liner at best, so I’m not too upset about getting rid of him. MacArthur has become a good player with the Leafs. I could kind of understand the Sabres position that he was overvalued, because if I remember he got a ridiculous reward. He contributed what he could, but he often got stuck on the third or fourth line and he was more a goal scorer. I don’t
think that would have happened during the Pegula administration.
Kennedy had kind of the same thing going on. He had a decent rookie year. He could have developed into the kind of third line center the team needed, but he never got the chance to and it can be argued that his subsequent relegation could be due to the fact that he lost a bit of confidence, as would be somewhat natural in that situation. .
I guess my point is that the core could have been tweaked and modified along the way, and I’m quibbling a bit about the way Darcy has done it.

by Philaster on Jan 11, 2012 5:03 PM EST up reply actions  

He was awarded a

one-year contract worth $2.4 million
when he played for the Thrashers. Atlanta was smart to walk away from that type of award.

I like Clarke when he was a Sabre, but he definitely didn’t produce enough points. I believe he had 26 points in 60 games before the Sabres traded him to Atlanta.

"If we needed any more motivation to win a Cup sooner than later, we've got one now," Black said. "I really want to listen to the game that RJ calls when he finally gets to shout out, 'Buffalo wins the Stanley Cup.'"
"Do it or Die Trying."

by FloridaBuffalo on Jan 11, 2012 5:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I always liked MacArthur.

Personally I always liked him more than Stafford. He got traded and I was a little mad, especially for only a 2nd rounder… but then Staff played awesome last year… and now hes pissing me off beyond belief. In hindsight… wish we kept Mac and traded Staff… still can I guess

I hate that I love Buffalo.

by bflo on Jan 11, 2012 7:13 PM EST up reply actions  

With the way Mac as playing

a 2nd rounder was a steal.

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by Ogre39666 on Jan 11, 2012 7:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Somewhat confused here

Dennis Wideman went into the draft a second time (by rule) and no one drafted him. So there were a lot of people that didn’t want him apparently.

As long as 70 minutes of ice time is being doled out to AHLers and Matt Ellis, the Sabres are basically doomed

by Ubiquitous on Jan 11, 2012 4:59 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Was he really that much worse than say, Mike Card or Mike Funk?

by Philaster on Jan 11, 2012 5:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Bringing up those names cuts me deep, because it reminds me of the 06 playoffs. Sad.

by lassathrax on Jan 11, 2012 6:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Ooof, Mike Card

I hate that I love Buffalo.

by bflo on Jan 11, 2012 7:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Wait Until The Off Season

There is no point in doing anything right now although it wouldn’t be a bad idea to sell a few playes like Stafford, Gaustad or Kaleta even if all we get are draft picks. At least it will help with the salary cap.

When the off season comes, Pegula should get a new GM and perhaps President (I can’t see that Black has done anything for this organization), dump some more salary, look for a few quality UFAs and make some sensible trades. By sensible, I suggest trade some of the deadwood for high draft picks or good jounman types.

by Geolover on Jan 11, 2012 3:59 PM EST reply actions  

Maybe it’s time for an #OccupySabres by the fans to kickstart things.

I’d think a STOP OCCUPYING FNC movement by the fans would be better . . .

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by go_buff on Jan 11, 2012 6:23 PM EST reply actions  

“direr” is one of the worst terms I have ever heard

by buzzin on Jan 11, 2012 8:06 PM EST via Android app reply actions  

Um...

Why is Ryan Miller still starting? I realize that Enroth has come down since his hot start but I think he has proven, halfway through the season, that he is the better goalie and the Sabres have the best chance to win with him between the pipes.

by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Jan 12, 2012 1:57 AM EST reply actions  

Evidently not all of the minions on the Enroth bandwagon have jumped off yet

Smile.. tomorrow will be worse.

by Calvin on Jan 12, 2012 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I like numbers...

Jonas Enroth has a .923 save percentage compared to Millers .902

Jonas Enroth has a 2.46 GAA compared to Millers 3.01

Jonas Enroth make peanuts compared to Millers bloated contract.

Miller has been one of the Sabres most dissapointing players this year and one of the main culprits of why we are falling so short of expectations. Ryan Miller is ranked 37th in the NHL in GAA and 36 in the NHL in save percentage. He shouldn’t be starting.

by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Jan 12, 2012 6:19 PM EST up reply actions  

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by Ogre39666 on Jan 12, 2012 7:25 PM EST up reply actions  

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by Ogre39666 on Jan 12, 2012 6:08 PM EST up reply actions  

What about Loui Eriksson?

Just as an example player. Someone who is relatively under the radar but showed growth and needed to get more used to the NHL game. Buffalo has been sensationalizing players after two months of play, let alone two complete seasons.

He is a player who had very modest numbers his first two seasons but was allowed to work and grow (6-13-19 59GP and 14-17-31 69GP). Sure he is a different player than an Ennis or a Gerbe on size alone, but to have people try to pile on sophomore players who are part of a team of underachievement personified is kind of crazy to me. Ennis had 49 points last year and Gerbe had 31, which probably would’ve been much higher on the assist side for Gerbe if he had played on a line more frequently with finishers.

I’m not saying this about keeping anyone over anyone else or who is touchable and who is untouchable and good touch vs. bad touch, stranger = danger. I’m just saying there are things that happen that can be spring boards for players, and while arguments can be made that 22 isn’t the same in the NHL anymore, there are still going to be players who follow the traditional growth patterns and sometimes you don’t know what you have until a player gets to 24, 26, 28 and a more natural “prime” of their career.

Buffalo has problems all over the place right now, some can be changed by just injecting energy and positive vibes like last year with the purchase. I don’t usually care for the WGR opinions, but that really was almost a once in a generation type of momentum that snowballed and took a team who wasn’t quite good enough almost into the 2nd round of the playoffs by getting past a team who was honestly better than them.

We can point fingers at players, coaches, systems, front office or ownership all we want, but doesn’t that just leave you more frustrated? I’m trying to resign myself to the three year plan. I look at the personnel and I think there are some pieces that will be here and major contributors when the time comes, others I think are relatively replaceable, but if they are replaceable, what does it cost to upgrade that guy? Why spend an extra 1.5 mill a year on a free agent who has to learn the whole team and system over when I have a guy who is there and at least consistent and in a suitable role.

It’s a long season, and right now we’re low. The injuries, the questioning of chemistry and even having players backs are real. The Lucic hit might have made a lot of people look in the mirror or even around the room and second guess everything they thought they knew or had been telling themselves. I also have a hunch that a lot of these players didn’t get to where they are on pure talent, we have guys who worked their way up through the ranks, and maybe they forgot how to lace up the steel-toes, but this is Buffalo, this is Upstate NY. We might bitch about the weather or think we are getting a raw deal and someone is trying to screw us over, but you know what? When it snows, we put on the boots and we shovel, we are the people who dig out our own path.

I’m not sure how this all went to where it did after just thinking about one player who took a couple years to get to a pretty impressive spot, but once I started, this is what happened. Sorry for the wall of text.

by VFN FTW on Jan 13, 2012 3:26 PM EST reply actions  

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