Am I the only one happy with this team right now?
by weswed51 on Jul 7, 2011 11:54 PM EDT
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PrintI know we have had a whirlwind of an off-season, and for the first time we have proof that we can dream big on July 1. Darcy has gone out and spent lots of money aquiring talent for us, doing a great job IMO. After trying to get anything for Kotalik and Morrisonn's contracts or sending them to Rochester I think it should be time to take our foot off the gas...
I think we all need to remember that this is just year one of Pegula's 3 year plan. Any more major moves this off-season most likely cripples us to do anything else in the next 2 years. Leaving us totally dependant on all of the moves made this off-season. While I have good reason that they all will work out in our favor I just want some flexibility for whatever(injury or chemistry) issues we might stumble upon.
I really like our roster right now...
The change in the Defense puts Myers in prime position for a break out year. The moves made and the progression of Myers game could have him in the running for the Norris this year...
Leino is an interesting signing with the position change(seems to be a Buffalo thing). Even if he just matchs Connolly's numbers from last year its a win. I think he was aquired more for what he does in the postseason. Can't be too hard to surpass what Connolly has done for us there recently....
We still have an elite goaltender who stil has something to prove....
Derek Roy is better than most of us want to give him credit for. He might not jell great with Vanek or is a leader like Messier. Talent wise and cap hit we have a great thing going, plus we don't need Roy to be a leader now just drop us like 70 to 85 pts and we will all be happy. As long as he stays healthy I think he could have that kind of production for us this year.
And most of our younger guys(Ennis, Gerbe, Weber and possibily MAG) improved greatly last year....
This team is much improved from last year IMO. We will be given serious consideration by most of the hockey world to be a team that has a real shot of winning it all this year. Just seems almost all of us(myself included!) need to remember that everything can't be fixed in one off-season.... Go Sabres!
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You are not the only one...
I am stoked as hell for this upcoming season! Once we re-sign Sekera, Grags, Enroth, bury Kotalik (once Pommers is back) and Morrisonn, and bring-up Luke Adam for a third line C role, our team will look something like this:
CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR
FORWARDS
Thomas Vanek ($7.142m) / Ville Leino ($4.500m) / Drew Stafford ($4.000m)
Tyler Ennis ($0.875m) / Derek Roy ($4.000m) / Jason Pominville ($5.300m)
Jochen Hecht ($3.525m) / Luke Adam ($0.875m) / Brad Boyes ($4.000m)
Nathan Gerbe ($1.433m) / Paul Gaustad ($2.300m) / Cody McCormick ($1.200m)
/ / Patrick Kaleta ($0.907m)
DEFENSEMEN
Robyn Regehr ($4.020m) / Tyler Myers ($1.300m)
Jordan Leopold ($3.000m) / Christian Ehrhoff ($4.000m)
Mike Weber ($0.950m) / Andrej Sekera ($2.300m)
Marc-Andre Gragnani ($0.800m)
GOALTENDERS
Ryan Miller ($6.250m) / Jhonas Enroth ($0.950m)
BUYOUTS: Tim Kennedy ($0.166m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $63,795,357; BONUSES: $562,500
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $504,643
HUGE improvement over last year. Also for me, Leino doesn’t need to be light years ahead of Connolly… if he at the least matches his production, that would be a gain for me. To be fair, it is not like we could have signed Connolly for any less of a cap hit than Leino got; we just would have signed him to a few less years.
I am a proponent of Roy and Vanek being separated; I really like how ATV played without Roy last year, so I hope that keeping them apart could keep his production up. The only worry here is that the second line looks small with Roy, Ennis and Poms (REP line?). Maybe then Staff and Poms could switch, or maybe Hecht could be with Roy and Ennis could be with Adam and Boyes. Either way, I think all of our lines have potential for offense, which is awesome. I also love our fourth line; rolling Gerbe/Goose/McC last year was a decent line in the second half of the season….I cannot wait to see them play again.
Obviously, this is all relying on Adam being able to produce 40+ points next season from a third line C role…if he can, we are solid. If he can’t, then we will need to acquire someone that can, which also probably means we send a winger or D the other way so that we can fit under the cap. Gosh…worrying about the cap…I LOVE IT!
"We’re gonna win the Stanley Cup. Then, you know what, we’re gonna win it again,"
-Terry Pegula
I also had your second line together untill I looked at it on paper.
Way too small but none the less im sure all 6 top forwards will play with each other this year, Lindy still is our coach
Rookies are like teabags...you don't know what you're gonna get until you put them in hot water. -Harry Neale
Maybe put Boyes or Stafford on that second line for some size and possibly move Pommy either to the 1st or 3rd line
Totally.
For me, I don’t really see one top line, but possibly three separate top lines. Therefore, interchanging the players to get the best combinations is totally possible. Using a Vanek/Leino/Poms and Ennis/Roy/Stafford lineup would still allow ATV and Roy to be play-makers while creating a better size distribution between the two lines.
"We’re gonna win the Stanley Cup. Then, you know what, we’re gonna win it again,"
-Terry Pegula
We are in good shape
I am more concerned with signing the Tylers after this year. After taking care of them we may be out of the market for a top 6 center.
I wouldn’t give Sekera the 2.3M, bur more in the 1.5-2M range. Enroth I could see getting more than 0.95M. So all in all it would be a wash.
Yeah...salary numbers befuddle me
I am not sure what to give certain players…I try to benchmark them with what others get in the league, but that takes a lot of effort that I sometimes do not want to do.
"We’re gonna win the Stanley Cup. Then, you know what, we’re gonna win it again,"
-Terry Pegula
I'm with you
I like this team as it is but I don’t know what’s happening with the cap. I’m glad we got Gerbs and Weber under contract. I think with the expiring contracts we have and 1-2 moves we wont have a problem re-signing the Tylers. I just don’t know how they’re going to complete the roster for this season giving where we are with the cap right now.
I'm pretty happy
Excited to see what happens. Leino playing center sticks in my craw a bit though.
3RD line center
I don`t think Adam will make the team out of training camp. I think the Sabres will send him down to play big time minutes between Kassian and Foligno. I think that will leave Hecht centering a line with Gerbe or Boyes/Pominville. I look @ Boyes salary and I`m thinking it`s a huge boat anchor. I`ve heard all the rumors about the Sabres acquiring Stasny but I think he is an overpaid 2nd line center. His numbers are comparable to Roy`s yet he makes $6.2 mil a year.
I agree that the $6.2M isn't very pretty.
Not sure why he seems to be everyone’s #1 choice.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.
He’s really underrated. “Advanced” stats have him comparable to Nicklas Backstrom.
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If I reference a lot of stats, just assume I haven't seen anything to contradict or invalidate them.
by red army line on Jul 12, 2011 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree that for the most part he is underrated
in that if you ask Joe Hockey Fan if Statsny is a #1 center he’s probably say “who?”. However, that doesn’t make a $6.2M cap-hit any more Sabres-friendly.
And I don’t quite trust hockey advanced stats yet. They are getting there, but they have quite a ways to go before they hit baseball-level reliability, IMO. My #1 hockey stats wish would be for a Defense Independent Goaltending stat. That way we could finally put to bed whether Brodeur was a product of the system or not and when I tell people Thomas’ most recent season’ numbers were inflated due to Chara, Siedenberug, and Julian I could give people some objective evidence (goalie win shares do back me up a bit).
Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.
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If I reference a lot of stats, just assume I haven't seen anything to contradict or invalidate them.
by red army line on Jul 12, 2011 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, It's goalie point shares, not goalie win shares (I was probably thinking baseball - win shares was the Bill James first attempt at an all-encompassing, objective stat).
Thomas’ 10/11: 16.2 GPS (.938 Save%, 2.00 GAA)
Miller’s 10/09: 16.8 GPS (.929 Save%, 2.22 GAA)
Hasek’s 96/97: 17.2 GPS (.930 Save%, 2.27 GAA)
Hasek’s 97/98: 18.6 GPS (.932 Save%, 2.09 GAA)
Hasek’s 98/99: 16.8 GPS (.937 Save%, 1.87 GAA)
According to Goalie Point Shares, Miller’s season two seasons ago was better than Thomas’ and Hasek had not just one season better, but three. But like I said before, I don’t think GPS is perfect. I think ultimately, a system similar to baseball’s UZR or the just implemented HitFX will be the answer.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.
oh no, anything but more sabermetrics.
Where’s my abacus?
"If we needed any more motivation to win a Cup sooner than later, we've got one now," Black said. "I really want to listen to the game that RJ calls when he finally gets to shout out, 'Buffalo wins the Stanley Cup.'"
by FloridaBuffalo on Jul 13, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
We still have an elite goaltender who stil has something to prove….
I realized this after one game when Miller just wasn’t himself
Who won the Vezina in 08-09?
Tim Thomas
Who had a sub-par season in 09-10?
Tim Thomas
Who won the Vezina and the other cup thingy in 10-11?
Tim Thomas
Who won the Vezina in 09-10?
Ryan Miller
Who had a sub-par season in 10-11?
Ryan Miller
I dont know it its totall melarchy, but i think there may possibly some type of Vezina hangover. Like a sophmore slump kinda thing
But i couldn’t ignore the pattern and thought i would share it. Cuase if history does actually repeat itself, then we may be in for one hell of a ride
"Just when I think you couldn't possibly be any dumber....you go and do something like this....and totally redeem yourself!"
You forgot to mention in both down years Thomas and Miller both had nagging injuries. Mostly to do with the hip. Although Thomas had off-season surgery and rumor has it they injected nanobots while he was under.
by JSCoope on Jul 8, 2011 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Three years does not make a trend.
The sample size is way too small. Plus like JSCoope said, there are documented reasons why Thomas had problems in 09-10 and that Miller has injury issues in 10-11.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.
Miller
Oddly enough Miller had his second best season last year in terms of GAA and Save % which is odd but I think the drastically improved defense will help him alot and will allow him to come out of the crease extremely like he loves to do without worrying about a backside forward standing for a rebound uncovered.
We need cap space now and for the remainder of the season and next
We have four guys on the team right now who are overpaid and play if they feel up to it and do very little in helping us win games. So let them go, by trades or moving down to Rochester. They are Pommenville $5.3 mil——Hecht $3.5 mil—-Morrison $2.5 mil and Kotalik $3.0 That gives us $14.3 million before we sign our remaining free agents
Why would we move Hecht and Pommers simply for the cap space? Both of those guys (especially Pommers) have value beyond stats. They play PP and PK, they hustle and they work hard. Hecht’s contract is up at the end of the year, if we can re-sign him at a discount then we should, if not then he leaves. Either way it will open a few million to go towards Myers/Ennis.
The fact is that they are both NHLers and they aren’t going anywhere for nothing. If we move them then we better be getting value back, which means taking salary back. In terms of shedding salary moving either, or both, of those guys would only make a marginal difference.
by JSCoope on Jul 11, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed.
They have value beyond goals/assists. We’ve seen how we play without Hecht in the lineup. I don’t understand how people constantly forget that when they talk abut him.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.
And don’t forget how abysmal our PP was without Pominvile in the lineup.
by maestro110584 on Jul 11, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Pommers helped the PP?!?
The PP was abysmal with Pominville IN the lineup as well. The Sabres PP was terrible last year and ranked something like 27th or 28th league-wide (take into account the shorties scored against gives a more realistic look at each team’s PP, don’t just go by the raw goals for percentage). Pominville does NOT help the PP. He’s good on the PK and I like the role he plays, but I think we can almost all agree he’s overpaid.
According to this, our PP was 9th last year. Yes, we gave up the third most short handed goals against in the league, but that isn’t included into an overall PP percentage. If you want to include that (which you were hinting at), we would be ranked 17th in the NHL, not 27th or 28th. Just to verify how the percentage was determined, I took the difference between the PP goals scored and short handed goals against and divided by the total amount of PP chances.
As for Pominville being overpaid, how much is he really overpaid? It seems like that comment is made too easily…even if he is 0.5 to 1 million dollars overpaid, does that really make his contract bad?
"We’re gonna win the Stanley Cup. Then, you know what, we’re gonna win it again,"
-Terry Pegula
by bgred105 on Aug 3, 2011 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
This is insanity
We have four guys on the team right now who are overpaid and play if they feel up to it and do very little in helping us win games
Pominville and Hecht should be moved? Are they overpaid, maybe. Saying that they only play if they feel up to it is not only the most insulting thing you can say about a professional athlete, it is completely untrue and unfounded. What basis do you have for saying something like that? I just cannot stand when people say things like that. Listen, I understand if you don’t think they are worth their money, or if they are underachievers, or if you think they just plain suck and can’t help our hockey team. But to say that they don’t care, or only put in effort when they feel like it (implying that it isn’t that often either) is just assinine to me.
Let’s keep the discussions to their play on the ice, and leave the personal attacks alone. You could say they play “uninspired” or something of the like, but to say they just don’t give a damn is probably false, unfounded, and downright absurd to say.
"Starting today, the Buffalo Sabres' reason for existence will be to win a Stanley Cup" - Terry Pegula
Hecht
There isn’t a hockey writer around who thinks Hecht has any value. Lindy is in love with him because he was part of their core players.
Maybe that's because those writers are writers
and have to sell a narrative.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.
Not letting media make decisions
I actually watch the games. If we want to make a run for the cup, Hecth as his outrageous salary have to go
his salary will go...
next year. Hecht is only leaving our team by trade if at all. No way Lindy demotes Hecht to Rochester and they just arent going to cut him. I think that one more season of Hecht wont kill ya! Hes not really that bad just a tad over paid…but we can say that about most of the league.
Rookies are like teabags...you don't know what you're gonna get until you put them in hot water. -Harry Neale
No team is going to take a reasonable trade involving Hecht. Much like our trade for Regehr, we had to take on Kotalik as a salary dumping move for Calgary. If we want to dump Hecht’s salary, we aren’t going to get fair market in a trade for his abilities. Therefore, we would be losing out. Why does Hecht need to go? He is a valuable two-way veteran with leadership abilities and can play multiple positions (albeit not equally well). If you ignore his salary, you can’t deny that he has worth to this team. They certainly aren’t better without him. There are other better ways to get us under the cap besides jettisoning good, veteran players to other teams for minimal returns.
"Starting today, the Buffalo Sabres' reason for existence will be to win a Stanley Cup" - Terry Pegula
I agree but...
Hecht has not been there in the last two playoffs. That’s when he’s needed the most. When he is healthy, he is very valuable “jack of all trades” forward.
Lindy's allowed to be in love with him because, unlike us, Lindy actually knows the impact of Jochen in the locker room
I don’t care what journalists think about our hockey players. I care what our hockey players think about our hockey players.
I'm very happy with the team - I just have a few reservations
True, I’d rather shoot Ville Leino into the center of the sun than have him & his cap hit be our #2 center. But I don’t hate him, I’ll admit that he has prodigious talent, and he’s here now, do I’ll just deal with it and hope he surprises me a la McCormick.
My #1 concern is locking up Enroth. I find it absolutely astounding that a team could go through years of back-up woes, finally finally finally find a solution to their problems – and then say “Whoops, not so fast, we might have to let this one go.” Presuming that the FO’s difficulty in reaching an agreement with Enroth relates to the team’s cap woes, it’s just another reason to be lukewarm about the Leino contract. It hardly seems credible that his price was dictated by a bidding war – really, over her? Don’t get me wrong, in SuperPegs we trust, but I think he went a little too cowboy on that one. And you can apply all of the above to Sekera to a lesser extent. While less vital than a good back-up goalie, I refuse to believe that going into the season with fewer than 7 solid D-men is a good idea. Morrisonn and the Sabres just don’t work, and the prospects are still all question marks at this point.
I agree
We wanted our new owner to go out and get us some players to take us to the cup. With Darcy still in charge and allowed to continue his overspending for talent, we got some pretty good players. BUT—We still don’t have a #1 Center. We still don’t have any upgrades on players to win face offs, and we still don’t have a scorer to help us on our power play. As long as Darcy has been here, have we ever had a group of good faceoff men or power play players? It is hard to remember back that far. And we are right up against the cap and still have important players to sign. GO FIGURE
Basically since LaFontaine. You can’t blame Regier for that really. The Sabres have throughout their history, or at least since Perreault, have not been able to develop a number 1 center successfully. The trouble is it’s hard to get that guy without drafting in the top 5-6, and the Sabres have traditionally been too successful to be in that position much. They took Turgeon as a number 1 center and he didn’t really live up to that promise. Erik Rasmussen was a high draft pick C and was a disaster. Their other number 1 Centers? Trades. Mike Peca was a number 1 center, but even at his peak, he was best suited as a second liner (albeit a very good one). LaFontaine was probably the best post-Perreault Center and it still meant a lot of first round exits for the Sabres, even when LaFontaine and Mogilny were tearing it up. The Sabres also had to give up a lot in that trade. Either way, this is not a new problem.
Drury, Briere, Vanek, Campbell, and Pomminville were a good PP group?...
And I’m fine with Roy as our #1 center. Would it be nice to have a second legit, no-doubt #1 center? Sure, but Leino is a decent bet to become a nice #2 IMO.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.
Not to mention Roy, Vanek, _______, Campbell, Spacek was pretty nice as well.
"Starting today, the Buffalo Sabres' reason for existence will be to win a Stanley Cup" - Terry Pegula
You are factually incorrect
While Ville Leno only took 136 faceoffs, he had win percentage of 57%. Even at a modest dropoff, that is still significantly better than Connolly.
Erhoff has put up significant points on the PP and I see no reason to think that he won’t continue.
You may disagree with the signings, and you may believe that they weren’t enough, but they happened.
As long as Darcy has been here, have we ever had a group of good faceoff men or power play players?
Yes, in fact I believe we had both at the same time. It wasn’t even that long ago, around ‘06 or so. Drury, Briere: are those names that ring a bell? Drury was one of the top faceoff men in the league (Goose wasn’t too bad either, as I recall) and I recall us having a pretty decent PP.
by Hopefulcynic on Jul 14, 2011 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions
I wasn't relieing on facts
I was just saying we don’t have a very consistent power play or face off players. Other than Gaustad we have very little. Darcy did very little to address the power play, faceoff etc: Now we don’t have the cap room to do much.Teams that go to the Cup finals are also strong up the middle, center position, again Darcy did nothing to address that.
by Winnie33 on Jul 14, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Boston disagrees
with the strong up the middle bit.
I don’t understand how Erhoff doesn’t count as doing much to address the PP. We have shifty forwards (Roy and Ennis) guys who can hang around the net for tips ins and rebounds (Vanek, Stafford). What we’ve lacked since Campbell was someone to man the point properly. Erhoff was tied for the 4th most PP points among NHL defenseman. He beats out guys like Yandle, Boyle and Byfuglien. Despite playing forward, Richards had just 1 more PP goal and the same number of PP assists as Erhoff.
And again, Leino had a very small sample size, but very good faceoff win percentage. Darcy did address the things you say he didn’t. Other than pointing out the facts, I really don’t know what I can do for you.
by Hopefulcynic on Jul 14, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
with the strong up the middle bit.
Krejci, Bergeron, Peverley, Seguin? That’s pretty solid.
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by red army line on Jul 22, 2011 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions
If they still had Savard on top…. not many can compete with that C depth.
Crazy would be NOT overanalyzing everything.
Lebda-free since July 3.
by nhlcheapshot on Jul 28, 2011 8:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Rec’d for the, “I wasn’t relieing on facts.”
by Frank Reich Revolution on Jul 14, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
haha
Facts are meaningless. They can be used to prove anything. -Homer Simpson
Rookies are like teabags...you don't know what you're gonna get until you put them in hot water. -Harry Neale
Wow, you think the writers of The Simpsons use Homer as a non-ironic mouthpiece.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.
Adding Erhoff is doing very little to improve the PP?
And he also added a center (Leino).
Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.
Happy Happy Happy :>
Looks like an entertaining year coming up for Sabres fans everywhere ! Bring on the B’s and their cup and we will wrench it from their grasp . (hopefully). Still wanted them to draft Nathan Beaulieu though .
your name is confusing and disturbing. Those two words do not go together.
by Frank Reich Revolution on Jul 15, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
new season
i love the sabres and am very happy that pegula bought the team! the sabres picked up several quality players but once again it seems they didn’t try for the elite players!!! its not happening overnight but hopefully SOON!!! its sad for me to think the players let go are good enough if we still had them for the sabres to win the CUP!!!
The only elite player available was Richards and that just wasn't going to happen.
Erhoff is an elite PP player.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.
Seriously?
What elite players? They got the best available defenseman, one of the best available forwards, and a terrific trade deal for a tough veteran stay-at-home D-man. The players they re-signed this season are either comparable to if not better than the top of this year’s UFA class (Staff, Sekera, Enroth, Gerbe), or they’re integral role players who are a good value and a good fit for the organization (McCormick, Weber, Ellis). Brad Richards was held in some sort of hypnotic trance by Torts. Parise and Weber are off the table. What was Darcy supposed to do – offer sheet Stamkos or Doughty? That’s a high-risk, expensive move that makes it hard to do business with other GMs. We’d be hard-pressed to do much better on defense without blowing the bank on the blue line. A trade for an elite center would have been great, but there aren’t many of them around and teams hold on to them as tight as they can. Darcy and Pegs left us very little room for complaint.
its sad for me to think the players let go are good enough if we still had them for the sabres to win the CUP!!!
I swear, I’m only half a beer deep, but the more times I read this sentence the more confused I get. I have no idea what this means.
by Katemc on Jul 30, 2011 11:26 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
You seriously said it all. This off-season was extremely good…while we all would love “elite” players (which I think means Stamkos, Crosby, etc.), they simply cannot be had, since their own teams value them just as much. Even if they were available, they would cost us SO MUCH that our team would be worse if we spent the resources (draft picks, players, or prospects) to acquire them. While I was slightly let down from us not acquiring Richards on July 1st, I have ended up really liking what we did this off-season and I honestly do not know how we could have done better with what was available in the market.
"We’re gonna win the Stanley Cup. Then, you know what, we’re gonna win it again,"
-Terry Pegula
yup +1
I think that we all expected Richards this year because we were finally players in the UFA market… Hey you’ll be hard pressed to find someone who would hate him here but the moves made… punch you in the mouth dman, laser shot from point dman and wild card forward who has put up when it counts…. all at reasonable cap hits… Darcy has done very well so far IMO.. with the fact that we have the ability to spend more than most other teams(in real cash) and the GAPING loopholes in the rules with an owner who want to win just as much as you do…:) Dont worry my friend we are in good shape
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