OT: Best food in WNY
by t ball on Jul 4, 2011 5:53 PM EDT
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PrintHi all, Western New York expat here looking for some food recommends. We're heading back to WNY for a family visit in a couple of weeks and I'd like to take my wife out for some of the best WNY grub. I grew up in the southtowns, Gowanda area, so my faves usually include Hamburg's Now Pizzeria (good subs and wings) and Ted's Hot Dogs (Orchard Park, I think). Some of my other favorites have either closed or changed so much they're no longer great (Adriaccio's at Chautauqua, or that little place down in Zoar Valley I can't remember the name of.)
I love the wings at the Now, but any recommends are more than welcome. I'd like to know where the best Beef on Weck can be found, and any general ideas as well. We'll be going to Niagara Falls while there, so anything in that area would be great to know about. Thanks in advance!
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choices, choices
Duff’s, Chef’s, Elmo’s (near UB North), basically any Italian restaurant on Hertel Ave in N. Buffalo, Bocci Club, John’s Pizza and Subs (IMO best chicken finger sub in WNY), Santora’s.
I hope this list helps somewhat! I know you said you’re from the southtowns but it’s worth the trip to N. Buffalo, downtown, and the northtowns for the restaurtants I’ve listed.
Enjoy!
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by uscBillsGamecock on Jul 4, 2011 8:20 PM EDT reply actions
Pano’s in elmwood is the shit. Usually a wait on weekends for breakfast. But food is good and prices are decent. i miss Pano’s every Saturday :(
Panos
Oh man…if I could find some Greek out here that was even close I’d be a happy camper. Pete’s is good…but their Greek Dressing isn’t even close. Kosta’s in Buffalo also very good Greek food. Flying Turtles (are they still around?) or Loughrans in Snyder for Friday Fish Fry. Mothers if you want to spend a bit more for a meal…they also have a damn good steak sandwich…why do I do this to myself? Now I’m fiending for some Buffalo food!
Visiting the Southtowns?
Hit up Mammoser’s for wings (right up the street from the Now – which I also love), Blasdell Pizza for said pizza (cheese and pepperoni, of course), and John and Mary’s for subs – cheeseburger sub is dynamite. Also on the list: Ted’s in Orchard Park for Red Hots, Steve’s Pig and Ox Roast in Lackawanna for beef on weck or other great sammies.
If you’re staying downtown, go to Gabriel’s Gate for wings, Pano’s for breakfast (meaning post-midnight), and Jim’s Steak-Out for anything – but only go after 1 AM, because it tastes SO much better – especially their fries and steak hoagies (the Frenchie, with steak, sausage and mushrooms, is a favorite!).
tastes better after 1
Hmmm, does that have anything to do with what you have been doing just before 1 a.m.?
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Gabe's Gate = best wings in Buffalo
Granted, they got the “my front door to theirs in 30 seconds” boost, but I stand behind my endorsement, so long as you like them crispy. Nice old-school atmosphere (lots of dark wood & brass) and decent beer selection too – the Brown Ale that CBC makes for them is good. I miss Allentown so much :(
I absolutely loathe Buffalo pizza so I’ll leave that alone ;)
No On The Pizza Comment...
But yes on the Gate. I agree completely – they’re my favorite wings anywhere.
hell yea mammys is whats up. Ninos Pizza on the other side of the village would be my vote.
As a former UB student I would not endorse any food places in that immediate area except for Boccis Pizza Club.
What about Amy’s Place near south campus?
And also Shango near South is awesome too if you like creole. Pretty nice restaurant and the food is insane.
800 Maple on Maple road in Amherst is awesome but it’s by no means cheap.
My wife and I had our rehearsal dinner at Left Bank. They have an awesome 4 cheese fondue.
I do not like amys place. Ive been there too many times where it was completely disgusting and i forgot about shangos that place is pretty good. I also overlooked Red Pepper on Maple. Its the most expensive chinese food in the area but it is delicious
True Red Pepper
I wasn’t going to mention it because I thought t ball wanted WNY food, but their Chinese/Vietnamese is the best I have tasted in WNY.
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The Sheridan Duffs is good
Not as good as Gabriel’s Gate, but good. And much better than that dump Anchor Bar. Yes, I know. No, I don’t care.
Niagara Falls
Oh…and if you’re going to be in the Falls (and if they’re still open) – La Hacienda and Michaels on Pine Ave for Pizza/Italian. La Hacienda might be my favorite pizza ever.
I guess my only problem with Buffalo food is that I HATE wings and never found any of the pizza to be any good. Needless to say all my Buffalo native friends gave me shit all day and assumed I only like Outback (trust me, I don’t).
NY Pizza smack in the middle of Allen Street is excellent (assuming it’s still there). Even a proud native Brooklynite admitted it to be pretty good. Zetti’s was okay but overrated, IMO.
Zetti’s burn their crust. NY Pizza is just like every other pizza. After a while I just went to Wegmans or Uno’s (until it closed) when I wanted a slice. I’m by no means a pizza snob or foody or anything like that, it’s just that not being from the US I don’t have any kind of regional bias towards what makes a good pizza, yet all my friends hampered on about how it has to be a super thin crunchy crust and the slice had to be x size so you could fold it and the pepperoni concentration had to be at an exact 2:1 ratio to the sauce which MUST be made from tomatoes from the north side of west seneca.
Hahah
Though you lost me at “Buffalo friends” and “super thin crunchy crust” – Buffalo pizza is most certainly neither thin nor crunchy. But yes, people get totally crazy and provincial when it comes to pizza.
I just came in to point out
That what both of you are saying here is sacrilege. SACRILEGE. I’d kill for regular access to Buffalo pizza. But my fiancee can’t eat real pizza anyway, so I guess it’s a moot point, as I don’t eat it regularly for that reason. My waist line thanks her though.
Pizza Plant
Gluten free pizza….
I’m assuming that’s why she can’t eat regular pizza. If not, disregard.
Yes
And fortunately, I love Pizza Plant. We did go there last time we were home and it was fantastic. I always feel the need to get a Roni Pod whenever I’m in Buffalo.
I still miss the old Transit Road location. Have they built the new one yet?
When was the last time you were there? We moved from Buffalo to Denver 12 months ago and there was still one on Transit at that point. In that plaza across from Dicks/BJs/Walmart, I think there’s like a Premier Liquor store and some other crap in there, Pizza Plant is down at the end towards Maple.
The only other one I know of is in Williamsville on Main.
Buffalo does good bar food
But I wish more people realized that it does a lot more than bar food, often very, very well. For adventurous food lovers it’s an affordable open secret. Some interesting & ever-expanding ethnic choices and a lot of smaller places willing to take risks. Even popular places like Mother’s (looooove) like to surprise you. Such a difference from here in Rochester, where people love their chains and Chicken French is ubiquitous. At least Roc has better Italian, though to be fair both Aromas are fantastic and there were a bunch of places I never tried on Hertel. And Left Bank does a lot of Italian, so… maybe I take that back.
I would say the same thing about the Roc
I wish more people realized that it does a lot more than bar food, often very, very well
Everyone likes to bash the Roc, for its food, and entertainment, etc. But to be honest, if you haven’t found some GREAT places to eat in and around this city, you aren’t looking in the right places. I will agree however, that this place is crawling with Italians and their food is delicious, but the same could be said for Buffalo and their Polish. Both have excellent food. But honestly, I was hoping that this fanpost was about WNY, and not Buffalo, cause I would throw out a few Rochester restaurants for the author to try, but I see that by WNY, they meant west of Batavia, so nevermind…..
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I think he wanted NF actually!
Northtowns and Niagara Falls is what he specified I thought, but everyone has their faves around WNY – even Rochester! Hey, best wings I ever had were at some dump of a sports bar in Rochester. It was on a small strip with several other bars…but I can never recall the name! What else in Rochester is good?
by buffaloparks on Jul 7, 2011 9:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Best wings…..I’d probably have to go with Jeremiah’s, although it is not really a sports bar (although they do have TVs that usually play sports, and a bar….)
As far as restaurants around the Roc go….
For bar food, Jeremiahs is top-notch (best fish fry around), The Brewery in Honeoye Falls (great burgers), Murphy’s Law on East and Mulconry’s in Fairport for great Irish fare, also TP’s in Penfield for Irish food as well.
For Italian, Pane Vino downtown, Casa de Pasta in Canandaigua and Benucci’s in Pittsford Plaza are all great eats. Also Guiseppe’s in Gates makes great sauce and sandwiches for lunch.
For Mediterannean/Greek food, Olives in Pittsford, and Aladdins are fantastic.
Jasmine’s on Empire for Asian Fusion (great Red Curry!) and Hong Wah in Penfield for take out Chinese.
For Mexican, Selena’s in the Village Gate is the best around (I also recently ate at Blue Cactus in Fairport and it was delicious).
Also in the Village Gate is the Gatehouse, which has excellent wood-fired pizzas and burgers.
There is also Dinosaur BBQ for, duh, barbecue, and Beale Street Cafe (Gregory St downtown and Empire in Webster) and Nola’s (Charlotte) for cajun/New Orleans fare.
Monroe Diner has great breakfast food.
For German food, hit up the Rhineblick on Main St in Canandaigua.
There is also of course the great Rochester favorites of Nick Tahou’s (or your favorite “Hots” location) and Country Sweet (for you Buffalonians, these would be like your Mighty Taco and Beef on Weck).
These are only restaurants that I have personally been to multiple times and would recommend to others. There are countless other great eats around Rochester to check out.
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Oh and for you sandwich lovers out there
The Cooper Deli on the corner of Cooper and Titus in Irondequoit has the greatest sandwiches around.
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I don't know...
Granted, I haven’t been out to eat too much since I moved back last year, but between what I remember & skimming current menus there’s just not much that passes the “I can make that better (…and cheaper, and healthier)” test. Places that do try to be a little more interesting either lose focus & overextend themselves, to the detriment of execution… or they’re crawling with vegans.
It's not natural
"Starting today, the Buffalo Sabres' reason for existence will be to win a Stanley Cup" - Terry Pegula
On the contrary
Eating meat is not natural. Modern agriculture (i.e. factory farming) is certainly not natural. Humans are natural herbivores as evidenced by physiology as well as by dietary requirements. Our appendages, teeth, gastrointestinal tracts, and genetic content align with herbivorous animals and diverge sharply from those of carnivorous animals. Meat-eating in Western cultures has been linked to cancer, obesity, diabetes, heart disease, bacterial outbreaks, and several other diseases which are not a problem in vegetarian societies and cultures. A balanced plant-based diet provides all required nutrients in humans (and canines, interestingly, but not felines – true carnivores who require meat as a source of taurine as their bodies cannot synthesize it naturally like ours and other natural herbivores can). The only contested nutrient most vegan diets lack is B12, which is supplied naturally from bacteria which are washed from modern plants. B12 in animal-based diets are supplemented synthetically to the livestock feed, so B12 is not an argument for meat-eating as a natural human behavior as much as it is an argument against overzealous modern hygiene. There are only three main arguments against vegetarianism: misinformation, convenience, and preference. Most of the misinformation stems from religious doctrines and agricultural economic/political interest groups. The convenience factor is one that is finally changing in our society, and the preference factor is one that can easily be overcome by the realization that the abuse of billions of animals is not necessitated by nature, by science, by diet, or by logic. If you seek further education on the matter, I implore you to look into the effects of factory farming on the environment, on human health, and (perhaps most shockingly) the abhorrent conditions in which livestock and poultry (including dairy/veal and egg-laying hens) are “produced.” Unfortunately for animals, you are free under law to eat however you please. But to claim that veganism and/or vegetarianism are unnatural and insinuate that they are therefore wrong is simply not something I can ignore. People who choose this lifestyle are not causing any harm (to you or anyone else), so why campaign against them?
That is a specious correlation
The more relevant difference between traditionally vegetarian societies and ours is that ours is larded with overprocessed crap, and theirs is not. And overprocessed crap has its share of the vegan market, and then some. If someone follows a vegan lifestyle because of concerns for animal welfare, that’s his business and fine by me. (Though livestock still need to be milked, regardless of how much dairy he doesn’t consume.) But environmental and nutritional arguments are incomplete, at best, and frequently as misleading as you claim are those against vegetarianism. (And I have no issue whatsoever with vegetarianism – it is a completely sensible and healthy dietary option. But veganism, not so much – and downright dangerous for small children.)
The soybean monoculture wreaks havoc on the environment and crowds out other plant life, both cultivated and wild. And while producing tofu is an organic process akin to making cheese or beer, creating a pseudo-version of nearly every conceivable foodstuff from the soybean most certainly is not. And of course it isn’t just soy – imagine what goes into making something as dubiously wholesome as rice yogurt. It costs a lot of energy in processing and packaging, and it undermines the identity of food as food.
Since you are obviously very well-informed, then you must admit that your claim that a vegan diet can supply all necessary nutrients is – while technically true – a somewhat deceptive overstatement. A person can fulfill his protein needs with only plant-based sources, but only if he plans his meals around complementary limiting amino-acids. (And I will admit that it is very cool that traditional dishes, like red beans & rice, do this intuitively.) The same goes for the limited bioavailability of minerals. Sure, spinach has lots of calcium and iron. But will it do you any good? No, not most of it.
So I’m not saying that veganism isn’t a legitimate lifestyle choice, but I hate that it’s a trend. Lassathrax, if you are a vegan, you are obviously well-equipped to make it a healthy, feasible way-of-life. It requires a willingness to educate oneself. I do not mean to imply that there aren’t vegans who take their lifestyle seriously and do this. But the average hipster-on-the-street (and like it or not, that is the current face of veganism) is more likely to dive into the soy crumblies and cheese-flavored rice singles and awful prepared baked goods. And tangentially, I cringe at all the yuppie parents who are shunning real milk and giving their kids nothing but alterna-milk, indoctrinating them nearly as badly as soft drinks do to an overly-saccharine palate.
by Katemc on Jul 11, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It’s fine to respect intelligent lifestyle choices and shun trand-following morons, I will do the same for meat-eaters who do so for misinformed reasons (we “need” meat, it is “natural” to eat it, humans are the “top of the food chain”, etc.). I happen not to care much for soy and rice produces (I instead tend toward nuts and legumes as dairy and meat replacements – if you have not tried Blue Diamond’s Almond Breeze almond milk, you are missing out).
On veganism: I am not morally opposed to the consumption of dairy and eggs in theory, but I am vehemently against the accepted standards of animal treatment by their respective industries. For these reasons I strive to reduce my consumption of dairy and eggs to an extent that basically includes groceries, home cooking, and over half of restaurant-prepared meals I consume.
You provide two arguments against veganism:
The first, in which you claim that cattle and other livestock must be milked regardless of consumption, is a terribly illogical argument. If not for the continual forced impregnation and/or hormone-pumping of livestock and subsequent separation of progeny from mother, and the gross mechanical over-stimulation of utters, there would be no requirement for human interjection whatsoever. To suggest that these animals would naturally produce more milk than required for their children is simply false.
The second argument you bring up is the danger to children, to which I would argue that vegan diets in infants and children (as well as pregnant women and anyone else on the planet) can provide complete nutrition as well as a diet including dairy, eggs, and/or meat, if the parents are educated and informed enough to balance the nutrients in the diet. I am, above all else, against ignorance and blind following (which extends to everything from dietary consciousness to religion) so it seems we have something in common there. I agree with your assessment of overprocessed foods being a major part of the problem in Western cultures, but it does not discredit the other facets of the case for veganism as an intelligent and semi-natural alternative to the mainstream (and wholly unnatural) Western diet.
Thanks for the intelligent response. My rant was more in response to willgarr’s comment than it was to your original comment.
correction/clarification: I meant “to an extent that I exclude those items from groceries, home cooking, etc.” It is basically an ‘almost-vegan’ type of lifestyle (which extends beyond food but that is another story).
Also wanted to add that I used to be the type of person completely turned off by the idea until a series of events (namely working in an animal medical research facility and later becoming more educated about factory farming) led my wife and I to reform; so I can completely place myself in the shoes of anyone who cannot respect this lifestyle. However, I would advise anyone with that mindset not to let stereotypes and public images to cloud open-mindedness and better judgment. It is certainly a movement that appears fad-like on the surface but is built on much more than other, more superficial diet trends. It saddens me deeply to see such an important ethical debate reduced to the levels that shallow-esque organizations such as PETA and the NRA display. There are more intelligent ways to enact change in which almost anyone can agree upon (boosting animal welfare without eliminating animal agriculture and reforming modern farming standards would go a long way toward both reducing animal suffering and improving human health). Organizations such as HSUS and Farm Sanctuary have very respectable political advocacy campaigns toward these ends. Sorry to have gone further off-topic, but I hate the stereotype that veganism amounts to PETA-type ignorance and hipster-like arrogance.
Well, sorry to open Pandora’s box. It was meant as more of a joke than anything else. I only make light of vegans because most (all) I ever encounter are the fad-types that Kate mentioned, and you also dislike. If you wanna be a vegan, knock yourself out. I am fully aware of the nutritional values of it, but it is not for me. I will skip the macho man act and just say that I fully enjoy meat and natural animal products. I dislike the ways in which livestock and poultry are raised, but frankly, I do not have the money nor the time to find free-range grass-fed meat every time I want a piece. I would personally prefer to just hunt and kill free-roaming creatures and live off of them, but again, I don’t have the time, or the freezer space.
I do actually appreciate the reply though, I learned a lot from your comment (not trying to be an ass, it was seriously educational).
"Starting today, the Buffalo Sabres' reason for existence will be to win a Stanley Cup" - Terry Pegula
It’s all good. Jokes on the internet never seem to translate well, and Pandora’s box opens pretty easily with this type of topic. Glad you were able to learn something, though.
Why?
I don’t understand why a Vegan would even be reading a thread about Buffalo’s best food. Buffalo’s best food is not close to Vegan, and in fact, not really close to healthy.
by buffaloranger on Aug 1, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
I frequent this blog and read every thread, plus comments, plus I like food just as much as the next guy. If I hear about good food I can almost always substitute the animal portions with alternatives. Admittedly this is a bit more difficult at restaurants than at home but that’s just something I choose to deal with. I am not offended that people eat meat, or that they talk about it – how could anyone be when it is the status quo? Why should I avoid the topic of food just because I have a different diet than most people (in Buffalo or anywhere else). I didn’t bring up veganism, I felt that someone else called out my lifestyle choice, and I sensed some level of ignorance about the matter, so I did my best to clear it up. If that bothers you, maybe you shouldn’t be reading a thread about food either…
by lassathrax on Aug 1, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
oh yeah
And Jasmine’s on Niagara Falls blvd and Maple right accross from Blvd Mall is the best Thai in Buffalo.
great ideas, folks, thanks!
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Lewiston
If you’ve got the time, gotta hit Lewiston and go by the river and hit the Silo. Get the haystack, its amazing.
And bring your swim trunks and go on the jet boats. Its a little pricey (60 bucks a head last summer) , but you get maybe 45 minutes on the river and they throw you around like rag doll on some major white water waves.
i went last summer and it was awesome. Highly recommended
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No one has mentioned Mighty Taco? for Shame!
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by JSCoope on Jul 5, 2011 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
mmmmmmmmm food
Mighty Taco is one of my fave, have to hit it up every time I come back home to WNY, Anchor Bar for wings of course (Duffs is good too), Teds Hot Dogs, Charlie the Butcher for Beef on Weck (Anderson’s is ok for Beef on Weck if you can’t make it up to Charlie the Butchers), Jim’s Steak Out for late night drunk fare. Plenty of good Pizza joints out there, Bocce, Picasso’s, Just Pizza, La Nova, etc…
Best Beef on Weck
Schwabel’s. Trust me on this. I understand you’re going to NF but since you’ve from the Southtown’s, I figure you may stop in there at some point. It’s in West Seneca. And when you oo, this old fashioned rest. straight out of the Deutschland won’t disappoint.
The food is unbelievable and reasonable priced. The German potato salad is the best I ever had. Yet I can’t get away from the mashed potatoes and gravy, mostly due to the fact it is done exactly the way my grandmother would make it – perfectly. If you are adventitious, try the pickled beets as one of your sides. This truly German dish has a secret recipe that makes the beets absolutely mouthwatering. It complements the beef perfectly on the palate.
Oh yeah… the beef. The best thing about the place is it’s Beef on Weck. Cooked to perfection, rare if you like that (my suggestion if you’re a beef fan), this sandwich will put all others to shame. Most cook their beef too long, which is a big turnoff for me. Yet Schwabel’s fresh standing carving station allows for perfectly thin slices, made to your liking (and visible for you to see them carve).
Hope you go! You will not be disappointed!!
you think pickled beets
is adventurous? When I got to college I couldn’t believe they didn’t have pickled beets available at every meal. I have so many great suggestions above I don’t know what to do, but this sounds very intriguing.
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Beff on Weck Nazis!
Which is ironic since they are German. My parents live 1/2 mile away but I always pass right by on my way to Steve’s Pig and Ox Roast.
Trying getting a BoW to go from Schwabel’s. NO BEEF FOR YOU!
Nope, you will sit down and drink your 8 once glass of coke and wait, and wait, and wait.
by buffaloranger on Aug 1, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm gonna respectfully disagree with the above
The BEST wings in WNY are at the Bar-Bill in East Aurora, NO QUESTION. Parmesan Sicilian, Honey Butter BBQ, Spicy BBQ, Cajun, Teriyaki, Honey Dijon and the usual Mild, Med, Med-Hot, Hot, and Extra Hot which I can’t even take one bite of. They buy the biggest wings they can find and THEN search through them and pick out the smaller ones and then give those to soup kitchens etc. They paint the sauces on the wings with brushes. They also have incredible beef that they carve by hand behind the bar. Unfortunately, they don’t enter any contests or seek much publicity so outside of the Southtowns, many people don’t know about their wings, even though the place is always packed.
I can’t think of any wings as close to as good as them, if I had to choose a second it’d probably be Gabe’s Gate but I don’t think I’d put Duff’s or Anchor in the top 5. Any self-proclaimed wing connoisseurs in WNY can’t give an accurate wing recommendation if they haven’t been to Bar-Bill. I may seem passionate about the place but if you ever check it out, you’ll thank me…. just order the Sicilians or Honey Butters, maybe a side of beer battered fries with ranch dressing and a mini-beef or a zeet and you’re n heaven…
by BillsThickNThin on Jul 10, 2011 3:35 PM EDT reply actions
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