Should the Sabres Front Office pursue Brad Richards?
While reading Katemc's recent fanpost "The bidding starts now," I saw how different our opinions are on the acquirement of Brad Richards. Personally even after Stafford's signing, I still think we have room to sign our needed RFAs and acquire the only #1 center in UFA, Brad Richards. Maybe hfboards.com has rubbed off on me, but I posted below is what my roster would look like with the inclusion of a 7 year/ $49 million dollar deal to Brad Richards and a 2 million dollar cap increase for next season:
CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR
FORWARDS
Thomas Vanek ($7.142m) / Brad Richards ($7.000m) / Jason Pominville ($5.300m)
Tyler Ennis ($0.875m) / Derek Roy ($4.000m) / Drew Stafford ($4.000m)
Nathan Gerbe ($1.250m) / Jochen Hecht ($3.525m) / Brad Boyes ($4.000m)
Cody McCormick ($0.700m) / Paul Gaustad ($2.300m) / Patrick Kaleta ($0.907m)
/ / Mike Grier ($1.000m)
DEFENSEMEN
Tyler Myers ($1.300m) / Chris Butler ($1.000m)
Jordan Leopold ($3.000m) / Marc-Andre Gragnani ($0.750m)
Andrej Sekera ($2.000m) / Mike Weber ($1.250m)
/ Shaone Morrisonn ($2.075m)
GOALTENDERS
Ryan Miller ($6.250m) / Jhonas Enroth ($0.900m)
BUYOUTS: Tim Kennedy ($0.166m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $61,400,000; CAP PAYROLL: $60,692,024; BONUSES: $425,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $707,976
This off-season includes the re-signing of RFAs Butler, Sekera, Grags, and Gerbe, and UFAs Grier and McCormick. While the RFA numbers may seem low, I do not see how any of them would receive big pay days due to them being on their second contract or because they have very little or inconsistent NHL experience. This was hastily done, so I really have not put a lot of thought into the lengths of all these deals, yet I would imagine if Grier is signed at all it would be a 1 year deal. The others could be multi-year deals and one-way contracts so to basically give the defensemen guaranteed money.
The biggest problem with these deals would include the small cap space we would have left available (~$700,000) and the lack of getting a stud defenseman in the off-season. I think if we do go "big" this off-season, it will have to be either for a stay at home stud D-man or for a big money forward; we do not have the space for both. To me though, just looking at those first three lines is just sick....they look SO good.
Anyways, I wanted to know what everyone here thinks about the acquisition of Brad Richards and if you would support or not support the action. Below is a poll where you can vote on some different ideas of ways our Sabres can get better this off-season.
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I'd like to see the Sabres explore the trade market
And then sign a couple of secoondary guys in FA. I just feel like with the amount of teams that are in either cap trouble or getting there, coupled with a relatively quiet trade deadline, that the NHL trade market is going to explode this summer.
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
plus it would be interesting to see if Kassian or Adam is ready. It could be premature but Adam looked so strong for Portland all year.
Got some work to do before being a playoff team let alone a contender again!
by thenewhockeytown on Jun 5, 2011 8:25 AM EDT reply actions
Wouldn’t it be nice to not be relying on a rookie for once though? Two years ago it was Myers or bust for our D core. This year it was Ennis. If he didn’t pan out (also Gerbe), this team isn’t making the playoffs. It would be nice to have a rookie on the team that we weren’t relying on to carry our playoff hopes.
"Starting today, the Buffalo Sabres' reason for existence will be to win a Stanley Cup" - Terry Pegula
trade for the forward, sign the defenseman
This is going to be long, so I apologize in advance, but I have a lot to get off my chest.
First off, I think we CAN get a defenseman AND a center. We just have to get creative. With the pocketbook of Pegula, there are things we could do that we couldn’t before. For instance, bury Morrisonn’s contract in the minors in there are no takers for him on waivers. That opens up another $2 million. Could we find a trade partner for either Pominville (difficult, I know, since he is still rehabbing his injury), Boyes (not that I want to get rid of him so quick, but if he is going to play on our 3rd line, $4 million is a little rich for me) or Hecht (Good Lord, somebody would give us a mid level pick for him, wouldn’t they? Please?). If not, waive Hecht. No takers? Put him in the AHL. I’m past the point of worrying about hurt feelings. It’s time to win a championship. You can free up $$$ a number of ways. None of which are easy, of course. But that’s why Darcy makes the big bucks.
Now, on to Brad Richards. At his age, he doesn’t warrant the length of contract he will most likely want. And I don’t want to be handcuffed (Lord knows Darcy already handcuffed us enough by overpaying guys like Hecht, Gaustad and Pominville) by a ridiculous contract when he’s in his declining years.
So, I think we may have better options on the trade front to acquire that top liner. To piggyback on mob16151 up top, there are some teams who will have some cap issues:
FLYERS: we know, and THEY know, that something of consequence will have to be done to free up some cap room for that goalie they want. I would inquire about Carter. A cap hit of just over $5 million would be perfect for the Sabres, and give us that number 1 guy for many years to come, as Carter is signed through the 2021-2022 saeson. Plus, his full NTC kicks in after this season so the Flyers have a small window in which to deal him, if they so desired.
PENGUINS: have only 7 forwards under contract, and not a ton of $$$ to spend. Go get Malkin.
BLACKHAWKS: need about 7 more players to fill out their roster and, as it stands, a little over $5 million to do this with. I would ask ’em about Sharp AND Hjalmarsson (there are some reports out there that the Hawks want out from under his contract. Too many defensemen making the big bucks, perhaps?) and kill 2 birds with one stone.
SHARKS: another team with only 7 forwards locked up and only 3, maybe 4, NHL ready defensemen under contract. Plus, how long can they keep Logan Couture buried as a 3rd line center? The kid is too good. Ask them about Thornton. (I would rather have Pavelski, but they aren’t letting him go). Big Joe is under contract for 3 more years at a $7 million cap hit per, so right around 35 years old is when we could wave “bye-bye” :) Perfect.
Now, of course, there are other ways to make our team better.
1). A 3-WAY TRADE: there are all sorts of reasons 2 teams cannot come together on a trade. Maybe “Team A” doesn’t want what we have to offer. But, perhaps “Team B” does. But “Team B” doesn’t have that centerman we want, “Team A” has him. 3-way trades aren’t that common, but they DO happen, and this is actually how Darcy acquired Chris Drury.
2). OFFER SHEET: we’ve discussed Zach Parise on other posts here. So, I will not get back into this. And, I know, he’s NOT a centerman. But he’s a 35-40 goal star. And besides the lost draft picks, you aren’t losing anything.
3). TRADE WITH A TEAM LOOKING TO GO IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION: not quoting any sources here, but perhaps there are teams with some up and coming centermen that are ready to take over top line minutes. Maybe these teams have incumbents they would like to move out to make room for these younger (cheaper) players.
I act like this is all easy to do. I know it’s not. For 2 teams to come together on a trade of the magnitude that I’m talking about, the stars pretty much have to align. Darcy MAY have to step up to the plate here and offer a BIT more than he normally would. Maybe Darcy was offering “Player A” along with “Prospect A” and a pick. Well, he may have to offer up “Prospect B”, too. We have enough good young guys in our pipeline that, IMO, gives Regier the assets to get this done and not hurt us long term.
I say, “go big or go F yourself.”
After all, it’s about winning the Cup now, isn’t it? Ask Terry, he’ll tell you.
by powerslave on Jun 5, 2011 11:02 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Good ideas.
There are a lot of good ideas in that post, and I pretty much agree with all of them. In order for us to get a real good forward, we probably would have to give up a player who has been part of our core for years or a young prospect who has shown some good potential. I like the idea of getting a high scoring winger like Parise or Sharp, but they are not the centermen we need and they would add to our winger depth which is already pretty deep. I imagine a trade for their rights (in Parise’s case) or contract (Sharp’s case) would involve some young wingers back to the other team. If this is the case, they must be resigned to a longer term deal.
Trading with the Sharks is an interesting concept, yet I am not sure if they will be in an hurry to move any of their guys in less they are getting a big return for their players. Their cap space is relatively reasonable this off-season for the holes they have to fill (a few lower line forwards and three D). Jeff Carter may seem like the most available center for trade on the market, but what would Philly take for him? Their biggest need is an established goalie such as a Vokoun or Bryz in FA, so they may be able to finagle under the Cap while signing one of those to a short term deal (1 year/$3 mil). As for Pittsburgh, I think they would put anything at wing as long as they could keep their big three centers of Crosby, Malkin, and Staal. Then again, they are probably in the worst Cap situation of any team this off-season (along with Chicago who perennially wins that award), so it will be interesting to see that they have to get rid of in order to field a competitive team.
For the reasons above, that is why I think it may be our best shot is to target B. Richards in FA. #1 centers are very difficult to find, and he maybe our best shot in acquiring this need on our team.
"We’re gonna win the Stanley Cup. Then, you know what, we’re gonna win it again,"
-Terry Pegula
I would rather have Pavelski, but they aren’t letting him go
I’d love Pavelski too. Jumbo is the face of the franchise and they’re grooming Couture to be their top center, so how long can they pay a guy like that to be the very best third line center ever? From the latter part of the season, it already seems like Couture’s #2 for 5-on-5.
I would ask ’em about Sharp AND Hjalmarsson (there are some reports out there that the Hawks want out from under his contract. Too many defensemen making the big bucks, perhaps?) and kill 2 birds with one stone.
That would be amazing. Hjalmarsson’s contract was forced by the Sharks so it’s not surprising Chicago wants out. He’s a strong stay-at-home guy too. Patrick Sharp would be a better player on the Sabres. That guy does everything well, but Quenneville is determined to ruin him. The only problem is that he’d rather be on the wing than center (and he’s lost some of the defensive acumen that you need in a center, thanks coach). But eh, Lindy’ll set him straight.
It is possible to acquire both of the things we are looking for, a top C and a Defenseman. However, as you say, we cannot do both without a trade.
First of all though, I disagree about what you say about Richards. He just turned 31 – not exactly approaching the end of his career. Sure, he’s looking down the hill, but he isn’t there yet. His numbers the last two seasons: 152 GP, 52 G, 116 A, 168Pts. Those numbers are well above his career numbers in goals per game and points per game. He certainly doesn’t appear to be declining with the way he has put up numbers the last few years. I think a 5 or 6 year deal would suffice and although he would be declining at the end of it, he would still be a massive veteran to have around, and the cap is only going to increase, while his hit will not.
On the trade front, if we cannot get Richards, I would go after Carter for sure. He seems the most attainable at this point, especially considering his NTC kicking in – it may be now or never for the Flyers to dump his contract. I also would keep Stastny in the realm of possibility. I know it’s been discussed here before, but I think he’s a hell of a player and would fit in nicely with this team, and we could easily absorb his contract, especially if we are dealing contract players in return. If we cannot get Richards, then go after a top D guy on the market. There are lots of options out there: McCabe, Hannan, Brewer, Bieksa, Ehrhoff, Wisniewski, Ian White, Huskins, O’Brien…If we land Richards, go trade front for defensemen. The possibilities are endless.
"Starting today, the Buffalo Sabres' reason for existence will be to win a Stanley Cup" - Terry Pegula
Stastny would be outstanding for us.
Stay away from McCabe. He is an absolute TRAINWRECK in his own zone.
As for Richards. No, he’s not old NOW. But he will probably want some ridiculous 7 or 8 year contract and THEN he’ll be old. That’s all I meant.
Fair enough
I wouldn’t go more than 6 years if I was Darcy.
"Starting today, the Buffalo Sabres' reason for existence will be to win a Stanley Cup" - Terry Pegula
Pavalski would be a great get.
You think Leopold and McNabb/Schiestel would do it?
Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.
IMO, it’s not enough. Scheistel isn’t even one of our top 10 prospects.
McNabb may have to part of any significant deal, as much as I don’t want to lose him.
So since we don't really have any offensive prospects that I'd be willing to part with (Kassian, Adam, Foligno)
Leopold, McNabb, and this year’s 2nd rounder (maybe 2012’s as well)?
Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.
Not sure what other GM’s think of Leopold, but would you give up a Joe Pavelski for Jordan Leopold, even WITH McNabb and a pick?
I figured you’d say no. ;)
I hope Darcy would at least call the GM of the Sharks to see what it would take to pry JP away from them, though. If it’s too much, then so be it.
Well if they are in as big of a bind as you say they are, Leopold and McNabb could be a nice looking package.
It could be an opportunity to bring a third team to the table. For instance:
To San Jose: Jordan Leopold, Ryan O’Reilly, Brayden McNabb,
To Colorado: BUF ’11 2nd rounder, SJ ’11 3rd rounder
To Buffalo: Joe Pavalski
Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.
Colorado may want a body too, but that trade actually makes sense on paper. Nice Job. You’re not Rick Dudley trolling for a job, are you?
I’d hate to lose McNabb, but if Pavelski would ease that pain.
Hey, you forgot an option!
What about “all of the above” for the first three options? ;) The numbers don’t work as is, but with some tweaks…? (And I’ve noticed you’ve taken TC off the board – fair enough, but I’d keep him for the right price.)
I think we can count Morrisonn out. One way or another we should be able to get rid of him; even if it’s off waivers I think we’d just have to pay 1/2 his salary. Off-loading Hecht would free up a ton of space, but easier said than done. That said I’d only lose him if we lock up another center or keep Timmy. Grier might retire, so that’s another $1m off the books.
I think your estimated RFA numbers look about right. I want to lock up Sekera, Grags, Gerbe, & Enroth. If we pick up another D, we could drop Butler. As for a UFA defenseman – yes to Ehrhoff, no to Kaberle (timid) & Bieksa (loose cannon). Bieksa is definitely getting way overpaid this offseason; I almost feel sorry for the team that “wins” that auction. (Unless it’s the Rangers. That would just be tradition.) For a guy we can fit into our budget and our powerplay, I pick Keith Yandle.
I don’t know if that will get our books to balance (it’s Sunday, and my neighbor’s lawnmower is really loud) but it can’t be that far off. I’m not in favor butting our heads up against the ceiling or engaging in any contract shenanigans; that stuff always bites you in the ass in a year or two. Always leave some cash in the sock drawer for emergencies or you get to start games with 14 skaters.
Sorry for the left out option…its my first poll :). Yeah, removing Morrisonn and Grier would give us just over $3 mil more in space; I just left them in because they are possibilities for next season. I do like Ehrhoff a lot, and was kind of angry when he was traded from SJ to Van for practically nothing two years ago. He has played at a 40-50 point clip the last three seasons, and totally could be an option as PP QB…though Grags came out of nowhere in the playoffs to take hold of that.
Bieksa being a loose cannon is an interesting description; while Schoop and the Bulldog seem to love him, Vancouver fans seem to not value him as high as the rest of the league does. I feel that is he having a Fernando Pisani-esque playoff performance which will set him up financially for life…I just wish I could have an amazing two months and then be able to make enough money to comfortable retire.
Leaving cap space is also a necessity; NJ played a game last year with 9 forwards because of their cap constraints. Though I think leaving a couple million to the top is a good way of managing the team; anymore would seem overkill.
"We’re gonna win the Stanley Cup. Then, you know what, we’re gonna win it again,"
-Terry Pegula
Bieksa being a loose cannon is an interesting description; while Schoop and the Bulldog seem to love him, Vancouver fans seem to not value him as high as the rest of the league does.
That’s because Vancouver fans have been watching him for the last several years instead of the last eight weeks. He’s a nice player to have for the right price, but he has a history of taking untimely and dumb, dumb, dumb penalties and for neglecting the “defense” parts of his job description in favor of splashy hitting. He’s quite Kaleta-esque, actually.
He did seem to out-grow some of his “idiocy”, if you will, this year. He does occasionally take the dumb penalty, but he brings a lot more in return on the back end. I have been following him all year, and think he’s become a great defensemen. Pair him with Weber and we have a shut-down bash-brothers pairing.
"Starting today, the Buffalo Sabres' reason for existence will be to win a Stanley Cup" - Terry Pegula
If the talk that Bieksa will command $4-$5 million on the open market is true, then no thanks. Before this season, he was a minus player EVERY year except one, and that year he was a +1. He is playing on a great team, to say the least, and that will inflate anyones stats, including Ehrhoff (who, I admit, I do like).
Bieksa scares me a little. Good player, yes. But, as Katemc said, at the right price.
Agreed. Every player has his price. I wouldn’t pay Bieksa that much either, but I would definitely talk to him, and I think he is more defensively responsible than Ehrhoff and I think that is what we need.
"Starting today, the Buffalo Sabres' reason for existence will be to win a Stanley Cup" - Terry Pegula
I love Yandle, but I don’t see Phoenix (Quebec?) letting him go. Especially since he is a RFA, it would take a lot to pry him out of there. Unless of course he wants out and signs whatever offer sheet comes his way that they won’t (can’t?) accept because the NHL is running their team.
"Starting today, the Buffalo Sabres' reason for existence will be to win a Stanley Cup" - Terry Pegula
I'd much rather get a nice D-man (Bieksa, Brewer, Pitkannen) and someone like Fleischmann.
than sink everything into Richards.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.
Agreed
And at this point, I’d like to point out that I still like Laich.
As much as Liach is like 4th or 5th on my offseason offensive player wishlist (1. Pavalski 2. Fleischmann 3. Lieno)
I’d rather him and a solid D over Richards on a 7 year deal.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.
Yeah, the 7 year deal was just an example. I am not sure the minimum he would take, but to have him at a reasonable cap hit I thought it would take at least that many years.
"We’re gonna win the Stanley Cup. Then, you know what, we’re gonna win it again,"
-Terry Pegula
I think 7 years is probably what he'll get
which is why I’m not interested.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.
Not a fan of Ville Leino at all. He only put up numbers because he had great linemates and played on the 3rd line all year, taking advantage of soft matchups. In my opinion he is a classic 90’s style european. Wants to play on he exterior and avoids contact.
"Starting today, the Buffalo Sabres' reason for existence will be to win a Stanley Cup" - Terry Pegula
He'd be on our 3rd line too.
Granted the company would be as good as it was in Philly, but it’s not like he’d be a first liner here. And he always seems to play his best in the playoffs so I guess I have an opposite opinion of him.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.
I’m on board for the Laich train. I’d really like to see that guy here, and I think he’s affordable.
Agree with bringing in Brooksie.
However, Jussi Jokinen would be a good fit too. He plays all 3 forward positions (same as Laich), and does it well. He wouldn’t be the ideal 2nd line center, since he is a natural winger, but I would absolutely take him if all other avenues for obtaining a centerman don’t turn out to be fruitful.
AND, another plus, he’s NOT Olli.
I’ve thought Jussi is a very good option too. The problem with all the good UFA centers not named Richards is that they’re all #2 guys. BUT! that might be for the best – a mature Derek Roy is capable of carrying the #1 spot and a really solid #2 would make that easier (and be a competitive motivator).
I still like Laich
Hee. We should make buttons. He’s not my first choice but I’d be fine with him. Another guy I like is Travis Zajac – if the Devils retain Parise he’s a possible casualty.
Another guy I like is Travis Zajac
Oh…me too. In a perfect world, some team from the Western Conference makes an outrageous offer on Parise, which the Devils begrudgingly match, pushing them to consider trading Zajac.
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"Starting today, the Buffalo Sabres' reason for existence will be to win a Stanley Cup" - Terry Pegula
Come on guys...quit dreaming
If Darcy does anything of substance it should be to trade for a top line center with a First round draft pick and maybe a second round.
It takes more than Terry to get a UFA to come to Buffalo, and we’re more than a couple pieces away from a Stanley Cup. Look I love Buffalo as a city…but it’s definitely not NYC, Philly, Boston, ect., ect.
Ideal move:
Cut Connolly loose. Trade the 1st round pick, decent prospect (Kassian rings a bell), and a role player for a #1 center that is signed for a couple years. Sign some help for the defense.
See how far that takes us until the NHL Lockout 2012
Thanks everyone for the input!
Its nice to see what DBTBers think of our prospective off-season plans.
"We’re gonna win the Stanley Cup. Then, you know what, we’re gonna win it again,"
-Terry Pegula

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