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Ehrhoff is not the only reason this team is under performing, but he's been absolute garbage. He's sort of a big name which is the only explanation I can fathom why he's getting any ice time at all. Sometimes players have terrible hands but great vision, decision making abilties, toughness... this guy has no redeeming qualities. He turns the puck over all the time --sometimes it's because he's afraid to get in the corners, sometimes it's because he passes to the other team, --but usually, it's because his ability to use a hockey stick isn't very good. His mistakes are costly in all aspects of the game too --but mostly the PP.

That's all.

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yea, cut him. I know he’s only been a Sabre for 2 month but let’s cut him and still pay most of his salary for the next 10 years.

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by FloridaBuffalo on Dec 21, 2011 6:50 PM EST reply actions  

Agreed with FloridaBuffalo

And I’ll add that patience is the greatest of all virtues.

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by maestro110584 on Dec 21, 2011 6:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I do know he has an incredible slap shot. I just wish he could get open shots

by billsfan26 on Dec 22, 2011 1:02 AM EST up reply actions  

I guess you’re referring to me as the “average fan” and simultaneously distancing yourself from that title…
I was under the impression that Pegula was not worried about costs —only winning. Paying off his salary for the next 7 (not 10) seasons if it means we’re able to bring in a more consistent player would seem to me like precisely what Pegula was talking about.

The fight video —he landed a punch to the side of Greening’s head at the end of the fight —and then we lost the game pretty quickly into OT…not exactly sure what you’re trying to prove with that.

I acknowledged that he wasn’t the only problem to start off my post in hopes of avoiding that red herring…the fact that there are other problems doesn’t magically make Ehrhoff a good player…and neither does the size of his salary.

I also never addressed his offensive production, only his ability to cost us games due to poor puck control. I’m sure you’d agree that a 40pt defenseman who yields a -100 on the season is not nhl caliber —so let’s not lose focus. Whether he is a “greyhound” or not, the Sabres simply cannot afford to have a player constantly causing fast breaks…60pts would hardly redeem the number of turnovers he’s caused, let alone an optimistic 40…

And last, you’re trying to compare my analysis of Ehrhoff to a fan getting upset about a Gretzky turning the puck over is absolute lunacy. I can tolerate your condescension to a degree, but at least address what I’ve written —don’t contrive ridiculous analogies and try to portray me that way. It’s incredibly rude, unfair, etc.

by Dred Scott on Dec 21, 2011 7:21 PM EST reply actions  

It’s not a strawman in the least —I’m evaluating him by his turnovers, and yet this Florida guy responded with “he’s a greyhound”…I’m simply pointing out that using a defenseman’s offensive production as the only metric for evaluation is absurd .

by Dred Scott on Dec 21, 2011 8:48 PM EST up reply actions  

You’re not a rhodes scholar, are you?

by Dred Scott on Dec 21, 2011 10:12 PM EST up reply actions  

All Im saying is you should probably consider the fact that if he werent on the team, somebody else would be. This is an obvious fact to just about 99% of people. Maybe you’re the 1% that everyone’s so mad about?

by Dred Scott on Dec 22, 2011 12:11 AM EST up reply actions  

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if he werent on the team, somebody else would be.

Yeah, and that somebody else would not be as good.

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by Ogre39666 on Dec 22, 2011 2:14 AM EST up reply actions  

its a fan site.....relax

We all have our opinions. Ehrhoff has struggled a little but he should not be paired with Grags. Grags is a passer and thats it on the PP. I guarentee you put him with Myers or Leopold and he will have more oppertunities.

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by thenewhockeytown on Dec 22, 2011 11:30 AM EST up reply actions  

The fight video —he landed a punch to the side of Greening’s head at the end of the fight —and then we lost the game pretty quickly into OT…not exactly sure what you’re trying to prove with that.

Which proves you only see what you want to.

sometimes it’s because he’s afraid to get in the corners

So you can challenge his toughness wih no evidence? However, when someone shows evidence of his toughness with a video of him throwing down for a teammate, you become critical of how he fights (and also say that his fighting isn’t even relevant). That’s shoddy debating – especially from a scholar.

by jj24 on Dec 27, 2011 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

note the contraction “you’d” —meaning “you would”, as in, a conditional scenario.

by Dred Scott on Dec 21, 2011 8:49 PM EST reply actions  

Cool —I had no idea that that was how it worked. Thanks, and you’re right

by Dred Scott on Dec 21, 2011 10:13 PM EST up reply actions  

This isn’t football, you can’t just rip up player contracts for nothing.

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by Ubiquitous on Dec 22, 2011 10:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Seriously?

These are the kinds of discussions that just piss me off as a fellow man. It’s 4 months into the season for one, this team has no chemistry outside of Vanek and Pommer, yes, some changes would be nice, the blue line isn’t it. Right now we’re not scoring enough, and our blue line isn’t at 100%. Personally, I’m not a fan of Ruff’s defensive system. It hasn’t worked in 14 years, new players isn’t going to make it work now.

The post comparing Vanek to other 40 goal scorers in the league is a prime example. The Leino signing blew up in this teams face so far. IMO, Reiger and Ruff need to go, along with Stafford and Leino. I would say Roy, but he has a good history as a point getter, I’m not sure what his issue is right now, but he can still salvage this season if he picks up the pace. Boyes, Stafford, and Leino however can get traded away for a number one pick or two IMO.

by Tom Stone Angelo on Dec 22, 2011 4:32 AM EST reply actions  

Which team in their right mind is going to take Leino for 5 years with the way he’s been playing recently?

It sucks but its the reality of the situation.

by CaptSkubba on Dec 22, 2011 7:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Your points claims Ruff have inspired me to take a statistical look at his time here.

Keep a look out for it.

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by Ogre39666 on Dec 22, 2011 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

love it

thank you for this post!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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by thenewhockeytown on Dec 22, 2011 11:49 AM EST up reply actions  

THIS

Very well said, good examples. I especially like and agree with this:

He makes errors of commission not omission

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by willgarr15 on Dec 22, 2011 11:42 AM EST up reply actions  

I like his point totals, but this is a little worrying:
Even Strength on-ice save percentages.

NAME GP Sv% PDO
ROBYNREGEHR 31 .945 1004
TYLERMYERS 19 .933 1016
JORDANLEOPOLD 29 .923 1008
BRAYDENMCNABB 9 .919 996
ANDREJSEKERA 32 .912 1012
CHRISTIANEHRHOFF 32 .907 988
Team ESSv% is .917, which is a NHL median (a little below average because some teams are getting .940 Sv%s)
Though strangely, his Corsi is very good, which means some of the issues might just be bad luck.

That or Ehrhoff bleeds scoring chances against. I hate him, so I’m going with that explanation.

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by Ubiquitous on Dec 22, 2011 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Cool stats, thanks for sharing this. Not surprising that Regehr’s % is so good. Somewhat surprising that Sekera’s is so bad — he’s looked pretty good this year.

by Munchausen on Dec 22, 2011 12:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I suspect if we split Sekera’s numbers by who was his defense partner we’d some interesting results.

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by Ubiquitous on Dec 22, 2011 12:26 PM EST up reply actions  

How are Gragnani’s numbers? Or shouldn’t I ask?

by Philaster on Dec 22, 2011 12:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, sorry, behindthenet lists him as a forward because of that one season he played left wing so he’s never on it.
NAME GP Sv% PDO
MARC-ANDREGRAGNANI BUF LW 30 933 1052

I haven’t noticed his defense being particularly bad, but remember that he generally faces less dangerous forwards than the three we’re talking about (Sekera, Ehrhoff, Regehr)

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by Ubiquitous on Dec 22, 2011 1:18 PM EST up reply actions  

A forward? That’s kind of random. I kind of understand but it’s still funny.

by Philaster on Dec 22, 2011 2:07 PM EST up reply actions  

cool stats, where’d you get ’em?

by beninbrooklyn on Dec 22, 2011 12:51 PM EST up reply actions  

behindthenet.ca.

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by Ubiquitous on Dec 22, 2011 1:19 PM EST up reply actions  

We should maybe one day set up a locked sticky on the top of the Fan Posts page with all the different sites and tools and a brief explanation of what they provide and where they are located so people can start to really put together some research projects and hit us with more great data like this.

by VFN FTW on Dec 22, 2011 1:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Or we could just suggest that Ubi b/c a writer so I don’t have to do the work?

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by bluecollarbuffalo on Dec 22, 2011 3:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Haha. Sorry, I can’t do these sort of things regularly.

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by Ubiquitous on Dec 22, 2011 4:49 PM EST up reply actions  

:(……I’m tempted to flag this, but I don’t know what I would categorize it as……

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by bluecollarbuffalo on Dec 22, 2011 8:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Flagged as lazy. :)

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by Ubiquitous on Dec 23, 2011 8:58 AM EST up reply actions  

I emailed them the other day with a question about rate stat normalization and they haven't got back to me.

Any cahne you know at which point rate stats in hockey normalize? Like shooting%, Shots/Game, Save%?

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by Ogre39666 on Dec 22, 2011 3:25 PM EST up reply actions  

They all ought to normalize fairly quickly… though with shots and shooting% you may have to make a continuity correction for small samples.

Mike Weber Pressbox Incarceration Status: Free to roam the blueline.
"Ville Leino may stink but he’s still way better than Colin Stuart."

by Ubiquitous on Dec 22, 2011 4:56 PM EST up reply actions  

great points

Ive been trying to convey this point to Ehrhoff haters for the last few weeks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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by thenewhockeytown on Dec 22, 2011 11:34 AM EST reply actions  

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