cut #10 please
Ehrhoff is not the only reason this team is under performing, but he's been absolute garbage. He's sort of a big name which is the only explanation I can fathom why he's getting any ice time at all. Sometimes players have terrible hands but great vision, decision making abilties, toughness... this guy has no redeeming qualities. He turns the puck over all the time --sometimes it's because he's afraid to get in the corners, sometimes it's because he passes to the other team, --but usually, it's because his ability to use a hockey stick isn't very good. His mistakes are costly in all aspects of the game too --but mostly the PP.
That's all.
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yea, cut him. I know he’s only been a Sabre for 2 month but let’s cut him and still pay most of his salary for the next 10 years.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=IafLOYn37Ts
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Agreed with FloridaBuffalo
And I’ll add that patience is the greatest of all virtues.
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by maestro110584 on Dec 21, 2011 6:53 PM EST up reply actions
On a more serious note..
$4m annual cap hit for a 40 point a year defenseman is pretty damn good IMO. Every player has his faults, Ehrhoff is no exception. He takes risks, he’s a greyhound defenseman who isn’t going to play the body first, but he still puts himself in position to make a good defensive play. Why don’t we have some patience with players before we want to run them out of town.
The problems with the Sabres at this current moment in time aren’t the fault of Ehrhoff by himself. The team is inconsistent, injured, and look less than motivated. There are other problems than just some inconsistent play or bad passes from a recently signed defenseman.
(sarcasm train approaches)
What am I saying… This is Buffalo. It doesn’t matter who the Sabres acquire the average fan will want them catapulted into the Sun as soon as they have a bad play or bad game or a bad stretch or a bad season. It could be Wayne Gretzky in his Prime averaging 200 points a season and he could have a bad turnover in overtime that costs them a game, people would be calling for him to be traded or cut. No wonder the F’NC is a library during games.
"If we needed any more motivation to win a Cup sooner than later, we've got one now," Black said. "I really want to listen to the game that RJ calls when he finally gets to shout out, 'Buffalo wins the Stanley Cup.'"
"Do it or Die Trying."
by FloridaBuffalo on Dec 21, 2011 7:04 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I guess you’re referring to me as the “average fan” and simultaneously distancing yourself from that title…
I was under the impression that Pegula was not worried about costs —only winning. Paying off his salary for the next 7 (not 10) seasons if it means we’re able to bring in a more consistent player would seem to me like precisely what Pegula was talking about.
The fight video —he landed a punch to the side of Greening’s head at the end of the fight —and then we lost the game pretty quickly into OT…not exactly sure what you’re trying to prove with that.
I acknowledged that he wasn’t the only problem to start off my post in hopes of avoiding that red herring…the fact that there are other problems doesn’t magically make Ehrhoff a good player…and neither does the size of his salary.
I also never addressed his offensive production, only his ability to cost us games due to poor puck control. I’m sure you’d agree that a 40pt defenseman who yields a -100 on the season is not nhl caliber —so let’s not lose focus. Whether he is a “greyhound” or not, the Sabres simply cannot afford to have a player constantly causing fast breaks…60pts would hardly redeem the number of turnovers he’s caused, let alone an optimistic 40…
And last, you’re trying to compare my analysis of Ehrhoff to a fan getting upset about a Gretzky turning the puck over is absolute lunacy. I can tolerate your condescension to a degree, but at least address what I’ve written —don’t contrive ridiculous analogies and try to portray me that way. It’s incredibly rude, unfair, etc.
A $4M cap-hit for a 40-point defenseman is better than fine.
I’m sure you’d agree that a 40pt defenseman who yields a -100 on the season is not nhl caliber
Yay, strawmans! He’s not a -100 player.
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by Ogre39666 on Dec 21, 2011 7:46 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
It’s not a strawman in the least —I’m evaluating him by his turnovers, and yet this Florida guy responded with “he’s a greyhound”…I’m simply pointing out that using a defenseman’s offensive production as the only metric for evaluation is absurd .
Unless his play is so bad that it results in 40 goals scored against
his 40-points means he’s helping the team.
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by Ogre39666 on Dec 21, 2011 9:01 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
You're the guy who wants to cut the dude who leads the team in ATOI four months into a ten year contract...
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by Ogre39666 on Dec 21, 2011 11:20 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Dude, if you want to have discussions w/ people around here, ridiculing them is not the way to get them to want to acknowledge your comments in the future.
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by bluecollarbuffalo on Dec 22, 2011 7:40 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
its a fan site.....relax
We all have our opinions. Ehrhoff has struggled a little but he should not be paired with Grags. Grags is a passer and thats it on the PP. I guarentee you put him with Myers or Leopold and he will have more oppertunities.
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by thenewhockeytown on Dec 22, 2011 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
The fight video —he landed a punch to the side of Greening’s head at the end of the fight —and then we lost the game pretty quickly into OT…not exactly sure what you’re trying to prove with that.
Which proves you only see what you want to.
sometimes it’s because he’s afraid to get in the corners
So you can challenge his toughness wih no evidence? However, when someone shows evidence of his toughness with a video of him throwing down for a teammate, you become critical of how he fights (and also say that his fighting isn’t even relevant). That’s shoddy debating – especially from a scholar.
From Capgeek.com
Teams are entitled to buy out player contracts for a portion of the remaining value of the contract — paid over a period of twice the remaining length of the contract. Following are the buyout amounts:
Younger than age 26 at the time of buyout, 1/3 the remaining value
Age 26 or older at the time of the buyout, 2/3 the remaining value
The remainder of this explanation assumes the player was not 35 or older when he signed his contract (in which case a buyout saves the team financially but does not reduce the player’s cap hit).
When a player is bought out, the team still takes a cap hit for the player over a period of twice the remaining length of the contract. The amount of the cap hit (by year) is determined as follows:
Take the actual salary due for each remaining year
Take the Averaged Player Salary (cap hit) for the current contract
Calculate the buyout amount (as described above)
Spread the buy-out amount evenly over twice the remaining years of the contract
Take the number in No. 1 and subtract the number in No. 4. This is the “buyout savings.”
Take the cap hit from No. 2 and subtract the buyout savings from No. 5.
Now for Christian Ehrhoff
Christian Ehrhoff is 29 years old on the buyout date of June 15, 2012, setting the buyout ratio at 2/3 and the total buyout cost at $20,000,000 spread over 18 years. His contract was originally valued at $40,000,000 beginning in 2011 and ending in 2021, with $30,000,000 remaining from the buyout year forward. The following is a season-by-season breakdown of the buyout. A negative buyout cap hit indicates a credit.
2012-13: -$2,888,889
2013-14: $1,111,111
2014-15: $1,111,111
2015-16: $1,111,111
2016-17: $1,111,111
2017-18: $2,111,111
2018-19: $4,111,111
2019-20: $4,111,111
2020-21: $4,111,111
2021-22: $1,111,111
2022-23: $1,111,111
2023-24: $1,111,111
2024-25: $1,111,111
2025-26: $1,111,111
2026-27: $1,111,111
2027-28: $1,111,111
2028-29: $1,111,111
2029-30: $1,111,111
So by buying out Ehrhoff’s contract you are losing between $1m and $4m in cap space over the next 18 years. Doesn’t matter how much money Pegula has, putting your team in that much of a hole over the next 18 years doesn’t give your team the best chance to win.
"If we needed any more motivation to win a Cup sooner than later, we've got one now," Black said. "I really want to listen to the game that RJ calls when he finally gets to shout out, 'Buffalo wins the Stanley Cup.'"
"Do it or Die Trying."
by FloridaBuffalo on Dec 21, 2011 9:50 PM EST reply actions 5 recs
You’re not a Rhodes Scholar, are you?
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by Ogre39666 on Dec 21, 2011 11:08 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Seriously?
These are the kinds of discussions that just piss me off as a fellow man. It’s 4 months into the season for one, this team has no chemistry outside of Vanek and Pommer, yes, some changes would be nice, the blue line isn’t it. Right now we’re not scoring enough, and our blue line isn’t at 100%. Personally, I’m not a fan of Ruff’s defensive system. It hasn’t worked in 14 years, new players isn’t going to make it work now.
The post comparing Vanek to other 40 goal scorers in the league is a prime example. The Leino signing blew up in this teams face so far. IMO, Reiger and Ruff need to go, along with Stafford and Leino. I would say Roy, but he has a good history as a point getter, I’m not sure what his issue is right now, but he can still salvage this season if he picks up the pace. Boyes, Stafford, and Leino however can get traded away for a number one pick or two IMO.
by Tom Stone Angelo on Dec 22, 2011 4:32 AM EST reply actions
Your points claims Ruff have inspired me to take a statistical look at his time here.
Keep a look out for it.
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See….this is the type of post that causes many prominent members of this site to caricature people who are “down” on Miller, Roy, Ruff, Myers, etc. Man, make a post about why you think the signing was a bad idea (I disagree, but that’s OK) not saying that he’s done nothing right and is “garbage”. There’s a way to make the argument you are trying to make w/o sounding like you plan on calling into the “Whiner Line” and reading this tomorrow.
But that’s just my humble opinion.
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by bluecollarbuffalo on Dec 22, 2011 7:38 AM EST reply actions 5 recs
Exactly
This is the point I was trying to make the other day. This post is the opposite of well-written essay. Dred Scott has a theory (Ehrhoff is terrible and should be cut), but has gives no supporting evidence worth a damn to support his case, outside of: he turns the puck over.
How many times does he turn the puck over? How often do those turnovers result in goals? Do the turnovers negate the offensive output he brings? Does he turn the puck over more often than other players at his position, or better yet, a replacement level player such as Shaone Morrisonn or TJ Brennan (our options)? At what rate does he turn the puck over per minute of ice time (seeing as though he is playing nearly half a game for us right now)?
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by willgarr15 on Dec 22, 2011 11:40 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
love it
thank you for this post!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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by thenewhockeytown on Dec 22, 2011 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
100% Fan and Apologist for Hoff
He leads the blueline in points
He has a rocket of a shot that he can put high to score with or low to create rebounds/tips/general crease mayhem/intentional wide shots for the big bounce off the boards
He carries the puck up the ice like few people his size and when there is room it is one of my favorite things to watch
He eats minutes like Augustus Gloop eats chocolates, he doesn’t complain, he just skates and doesn’t take the play off
He makes errors of commission not omission
When Myers comes back I think they would be great together as a pair on the 5v5 and especially on the PP so they can have the sticks inside and if a team presses one the other has a much easier time finding a seam to let the shot or pass get through.
I do think that he has had some issues with some of the bouncing pucks on the right hand side, but a lot of these fast breaks are coming from the other side when he was with Grags and the recent one with Leo that led to the penalty shot. He usually is the one back playing against the 2v1 break, and more often than not we have seen him break up the pass and a couple really outstanding pokechecks where the puck drifts harmlessly into the corner.
I think there is a communication issue, with him but also systematically on the clear because too many times we have people pushing pucks into space that is not occupied by the right color sweater, he is guilty of this. One thing I think that does lead to this is our entire blueline consisting of lefthanders it is allowing teams to try to dictate breakouts off the backhand, some people don’t care I just prefer a balanced R-L pairing when possible.
Lastly, the Greening fight was a perfect visceral response to someone coming after your goalie. If you (no one specific) at any point complained that Buffalo’s response to Miller getting run was embarrassing because the team didn’t react immediately and without thought for anything than the singular ‘you do not touch our guy’ then you sure as hell better not complain that he went after a guy who took a little cheapy on Miller behind the cage.
You might disagree, but don’t even think for one second that statements about ‘no redeeming qualities’ on this board will go unchallenged.
by VFN FTW on Dec 22, 2011 10:02 AM EST reply actions 6 recs
THIS
Very well said, good examples. I especially like and agree with this:
He makes errors of commission not omission
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I like his point totals, but this is a little worrying:
Even Strength on-ice save percentages.
NAME GP Sv% PDO
ROBYNREGEHR 31 .945 1004
TYLERMYERS 19 .933 1016
JORDANLEOPOLD 29 .923 1008
BRAYDENMCNABB 9 .919 996
ANDREJSEKERA 32 .912 1012
CHRISTIANEHRHOFF 32 .907 988
Team ESSv% is .917, which is a NHL median (a little below average because some teams are getting .940 Sv%s)
Though strangely, his Corsi is very good, which means some of the issues might just be bad luck.
That or Ehrhoff bleeds scoring chances against. I hate him, so I’m going with that explanation.
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Cool stats, thanks for sharing this. Not surprising that Regehr’s % is so good. Somewhat surprising that Sekera’s is so bad — he’s looked pretty good this year.
I suspect if we split Sekera’s numbers by who was his defense partner we’d some interesting results.
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Oh, sorry, behindthenet lists him as a forward because of that one season he played left wing so he’s never on it.
NAME GP Sv% PDO
MARC-ANDREGRAGNANI BUF LW 30 933 1052
I haven’t noticed his defense being particularly bad, but remember that he generally faces less dangerous forwards than the three we’re talking about (Sekera, Ehrhoff, Regehr)
Mike Weber Pressbox Incarceration Status: Free to roam the blueline.
"Ville Leino may stink but he’s still way better than Colin Stuart."
behindthenet.ca.
Mike Weber Pressbox Incarceration Status: Free to roam the blueline.
"Ville Leino may stink but he’s still way better than Colin Stuart."
We should maybe one day set up a locked sticky on the top of the Fan Posts page with all the different sites and tools and a brief explanation of what they provide and where they are located so people can start to really put together some research projects and hit us with more great data like this.
Or we could just suggest that Ubi b/c a writer so I don’t have to do the work?
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by bluecollarbuffalo on Dec 22, 2011 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
Haha. Sorry, I can’t do these sort of things regularly.
Mike Weber Pressbox Incarceration Status: Free to roam the blueline.
"Ville Leino may stink but he’s still way better than Colin Stuart."
:(……I’m tempted to flag this, but I don’t know what I would categorize it as……
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by bluecollarbuffalo on Dec 22, 2011 8:41 PM EST up reply actions
I emailed them the other day with a question about rate stat normalization and they haven't got back to me.
Any cahne you know at which point rate stats in hockey normalize? Like shooting%, Shots/Game, Save%?
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great points
Ive been trying to convey this point to Ehrhoff haters for the last few weeks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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by thenewhockeytown on Dec 22, 2011 11:34 AM EST reply actions

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