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Simple Projections (Pt. 1 of 5)

As tempting as it is to write about the whole embarrassing fallout since the Miller-Lucic episode in Boston, this piece will steer clear of it and attempt to focus on the fact that we are about 1/5th of the way through the season. The statistics mentioned here are through till 11/15, and don't take into consideration the Devils game. Averaging out the projected stats after 16 games (after the Bruins) and 17 games (after the Canadiens), we get what the approximate arithmetic projection would be for 82 games.

The disclaimer here of course is that this is purely mathematical, this kind of forecasting does not take into account injuries, players' form, or a hundred other variables, but does give one a possible idea of trends and what we might be looking at come the end of the regular season. It is expected the extremities in either direction even out over the duration of the season.

Keep it here for the projected data after the jump, and apologies for the length of the post.

Star-divide

Player

Goals

Assists

Points

+/-

PIM

Shots

Thomas Vanek

55

50

105

25

85

288

Jason Pominville

33

70

103

10

10

270

Derek Roy

28

40

68

-5

35

183

Luke Adam

25

38

63

-10

40

183

Drew Stafford

20

30

50

-5

80

223

Nathan Gerbe

15

30

45

28

65

193

Brad Boyes

10

25

35

10

0

133

Paul Gaustad

5

20

25

23

115

110

Ville Leino

10

10

20

-20

10

70

Corey Tropp

5

5

10

0

0

30

Matt Ellis

5

5

10

0

0

33

Cody McCormick

0

10

10

-15

120

95

Patrick Kaleta

5

0

5

-13

160

75

Tyler Ennis

0

0

0

10

10

60

Christian Ehrhoff

5

45

50

-20

30

173

Marc-Andre Gragnani

5

25

30

20

10

70

Jordan Leopold

15

10

25

15

25

85

Andrej Sekera

5

15

20

20

40

95

Tyler Myers

0

20

20

-15

50

110

Robyn Regehr

0

0

0

3

60

60

Mike Weber

0

0

0

-13

35

0

Lots of talking points and predictions out of this, starting with the offense.

The three players expected to carry the scoring load are at the top. Vanek is off to a blistering start; in previous seasons he has always finished the season strong, and if he keeps playing at the level he is he can easily emulate his 84-pt season from the '06-'07 season. Pominville is a pleasant surprise and is finally living up to the expectations that his big paycheck come with. He hasn't let the 'C' on his jersey affect his scoring and for once is actually getting the puck to the goal without the stick exploding in his hands. Roy started the season slow, but has 10 pts in the last seven games. A point-per-game pace is expected of him as well.

Adam's top-line honeymoon seems to have ended, and he has only 2 pts in the last five tilts. Let that not take away from what he has done so far, and we can fully expect him to challenge for a top six spot all year long. Stafford seems on pace for a 50-pt year, when it was hoped he would finally make the jump to 60+ points. For Gerbe, 45+ points on the year seems quite feasible, and along with his feisty play increases his value to the squad. I also expect him to lead the Sabres in +/- come the end of the season - pound-for-pound, he might be the best checking-line forward in the League.

On the bust side of the coin are three prominent names - Leino, Ennis & Boyes. While I'm not ready to throw in the towel on the great Leino-for-center debate, just 20 points on the year would be very disappointing. Ennis' injury skews the stats badly for him, and we can be sure that he will score more. The next forecast should paint a better picture. Boyes on the other hand is doing his best impression of Ales Kotalik, circa 2007 - invaluable in the shootout and good for 30-odd points.

On the defense, we seem to be getting what we expected out of Ehrhoff. Myers has had a down year so far, but broke the goal drought with a pair last night. He will need to improve quite a bit to beat the 48 points from his rookie year. Leopold has been the forgotten man on the blue line this year, but his offensive contributions should be in the 30-pt range as well. 30 points from Sekera would be a personal best, and an important contribution too. Gragnani would need to improve his play in the defensive end to ensure he gets more games, and he is also on pace for 30-odd points on the year.

Finally, another table that projects goals for, goals against and total points for the team as a whole, compared to the previous two seasons the Sabres made the playoffs.

Season

GF

GA

Pts

2009-10

231

201

100

2010-11

240

228

96

2011-12

255

205

105

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Team is Boring to Watch!

I watch the Sabres from Raleigh with the hockey ticket and they are so boring to watch. It seems that they cannot get any pucks through to the net, power play is boring, and just don’t seem as skilled as some of the other team I watch. Personally, I am surprised they have 11 wins. Brad Boyes had 40 goals once? Were is that part of his game and Leino looks like we overspent. If Sabres ownership is going to spend money, bring in a top-10 goal scorer and don’ t shell out so much for Ehroff either.

by BuffaloWhiner on Nov 17, 2011 7:09 PM EST reply actions  

While I agree with you on Leino, Boyes and Ehrhoff, I disagree that the team is boring to watch. The Devils of old were boring to watch. TB’s forcheck is boring to watch. Buffalo isn’t boring, sometimes they’re tough to watch.

For example: Jets vs Sabres. Not the best game by either side, entertaining as hell to watch.

by Binthet on Nov 18, 2011 9:02 AM EST up reply actions  

True.. tough to watch is not the same as boring to watch

by Calvin on Nov 18, 2011 10:40 AM EST up reply actions  

I mean to reply to the post about Gerbe’s domination of the Sabres PIMs.

by Binthet on Nov 18, 2011 3:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Does anyone know at what point hockey stats normalize?

Otherwise, you’re just magnifying the problems associated with small sample sizes. I know they aren’t really the same type of stats, but in baseball, AVG, OBP, and SGL normalize at certain numbers of plate appearances. Chances are that goals and assist don’t really normalize, but instead you’d have to rely on shooting percentage, save percentage, and other rate stats.

At the moment, Vanek’s shooting percentage is 18%. That’s very close to what it was in his 40-goal years (where it was 18.1% and 19% respectively). However, his shots per game is only at 2.18. It was 2.89 in both his 43-goal 2006/07 season and his 40-goal 2008/09 season. Extrapolating his season at his current shots per game and shooting% results in only 32.22 goals in 82 games. However, his career shots per game before this season was 2.8. If his shots per game can return to its career norm, he would be on track to return to the 40-goal mark (44.27 to be exact).

Of course, at the other end of the spectrum, his career shooting% is 15.7% so his current rate might not be sustainable if we’re not at or past the point at which it stabilizes. In that case, even if he can return to his career shots per game numbers, if his shooting percentage regresses to his career mark, he’ll be on pace for only 36.62 goals.

Save Jenrry Mejia!

by Ogre39666 on Nov 17, 2011 11:59 PM EST reply actions  

I doubt that there is a ‘point’ at which the stats normalize.. but you’re right in pointing out that other parameters like shooting percentage and shots per game are pretty accurate barometers.

When I originally did this, I had kept in the data for shots as well, and took that out for the sake of brevity (as you can see, I didn’t do too well there).

However, at about the 20-21 game mark I will look into some of that data, especially for the top-line forwards.

Thanks!

by Calvin on Nov 18, 2011 10:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Really good question...

From other projection methods I have read about (VUKOTA and Snepsts), they both use comparable NHL players to develop scoring projections for players in the upcoming season. With more matches, they defeat the problem of having a small sample size when developing their projection. Of course, young or unique (i..e. players who have had one great statistical season) players would have small sample sizes when compared in these methods.

Seriously, what you brought up is interesting. While I see formulas to normalize baseball stats here, I cannot find anything on hockey. Some of the stats, like Relative Batting Average (RBA) would be cool to extrapolate to the NHL for shooting and save percentage; that way, you can rate players across eras.

Again…to go back to your question, as for how many shots it takes until a single stat normalizes in hockey….I have no clue.

"We’re gonna win the Stanley Cup. Then, you know what, we’re gonna win it again,"
-Terry Pegula

by bgred105 on Nov 18, 2011 12:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Flaw with your calculations

The only flaw I see with your calculations is that at the end of the year Nathan Gerbe is not leading the Sabres in penalty minutes…

by Binthet on Nov 18, 2011 8:59 AM EST reply actions  

Doubt it

I really doubt Gerbe will ever lead the team in PIM.. he plays hard and scrappy, but almost always within the rules. And even though I fully expect him to get into a fight one of these days, I doubt he will rack up more penalty minutes than McCormick, Kaleta or Gaustad.

by Calvin on Nov 18, 2011 10:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Projections...

Don`t you have to figure Kaleta`s projections to 55 games and not 82????

by BUBLSRM on Nov 18, 2011 9:06 AM EST reply actions  

LOL.. good point. I’ll just be happy if we can get 10-20 points out of him whatever number of games he plays, injuries and suspensions notwithstanding

by Calvin on Nov 18, 2011 10:46 AM EST up reply actions  

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