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After a surprising comeback win last night, the Buffalo Sabres now sit in first place in the Northeast Division and second place overall in the Eastern Conference. After the break, more fallout from Miller-Lucic, and the 2011 Hockey Hall of Fame Inductions.
Game 17 recap: Habs cough it up to Sabres 3-2 (SO) - Habs Eyes On The Prize
The Canadiens give up a two-goal lead, and fall to Buffalo.
Milan Lucic Escapes Suspension For Hit On Ryan Miller - SBNation.com
Milan Lucic has escaped suspension for his hit on Buffalo Sabres goaltender Ryan Miller. The collision left Miller with a concussion.
Fraser: Shanahan missed the call and has sent wrong message - TSN
Like it or not, goalies enjoy preferred treatment similar to endangered species in the wild; at least up until this latest decision.
More Sabres News:
Shanahan on Lucic ruling, slams Buffalo’s ‘irresponsible’ comments - Puck Daddy
Brendan Shanahan called the Buffalo Sabres "completely irresponsible" for suggesting it is "open season on goalies" because of his decision not to suspend the Boston Bruins' Milan Lucic, and he issued a warning -- well aware that the Sabres host the Bruins next Wednesday night.
Game 17 recap: Habs cough it up to Sabres 3-2 (SO) - Habs Eyes On The Prize
The Canadiens give up a two-goal lead, and fall to Buffalo.
Around the NHL:
Hall of Fame Recap - NHL.com
NHL.com gives a collection of articles from the HHOF inductions.
Hockey Hall Of Fame Inducts Four New Members Monday Night - SBNation.com
The Hockey Hall of Fame has selected four more players to join its ranks. Joe Nieuwendyk, Mark Howe, Doug Gilmour and Ed Belfour are 2011's inductees.
2011 Hall class all about perseverance - ESPN
Ed Belfour went undrafted by the NHL. Doug Gilmour went undrafted one year before going in the seventh round the following year. Joe Nieuwendyk didn't think he was good enough for Major Junior Hockey in Canada, so he went to Cornell. Mark Howe played the first six years of his pro career with the now-defunct World Hockey Association.
Hockey's best mustaches - THN
In November, many men grow mustaches for a good cause, but few match up to these ones.
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Shanahan can say we were irrisponsible for saying it but ruff was right. A player blatantly skated into the crease and ran into enroth. That play directly relates to shanahans decision.
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by matthew62 on Nov 15, 2011 1:02 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Or it directly relates to the Sabres’ lack of a response. It remains to be seen whether it really is open season on NHL goalies, but clearly it will be open season on Sabres goalies until further notice.
by Frank Reich Revolution on Nov 15, 2011 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
Agree with both of you. Shanahan doesn’t want retaliatory violence, but if he isn’t going to offer any other incentives not to attack a goaltender, then the team must do what it can. This team has done nothing about it, two games straight. Let’s hope the third time won’t be too late.
Hell, what would have been the worse thing to come out of going after Cole.. a couple minutes of 3 on 3 hockey in overtime? Sounds exciting to me. lol
"If we needed any more motivation to win a Cup sooner than later, we've got one now," Black said. "I really want to listen to the game that RJ calls when he finally gets to shout out, 'Buffalo wins the Stanley Cup.'"
by FloridaBuffalo on Nov 15, 2011 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
Absolute worst case scenario, we lose the extra point in OT and potentially a player gets a 1-2 game suspension if the instigation was bad enough. Totally worth it to send a message IMO, we should have done it. I was shocked that we didn’t. Sure, it was just a small-ish bump, but we’re talking principles and message-sending here, and that was our golden second opportunity.
Shanahan
Is Ruff (and everyone who agrees with him) the irresponsible one here? Or should you maybe have considered the implications of this hit a bit more carefully. The responsibility falls on you, as the disciplinarian, to ensure this league is operating the way you want it to. Your actions (or lack thereof) will speak the loudest, and by not suspending Lucic you have undoubtedly sent the message to the league that charging straight through a goaltender with no attempt to stop or change direction is a 2-minute minor. Even if you concuss the goalie. What Ruff said is simple and obvious, he isn’t formulating this notion and spreading it around, he is translating your actions in a pretty straightforward manner. Even Kerry Fraser backs him up on it, for crying out loud. Kerry Fraser! You blew it Shanny. When forwards start running goalies at every opportunity, you can blame Ruff all you want, but this one is on you. And if you start suspending them, it will hopefully cost you your job for giving preferential treatment to Lucic. To turn this into a judgment about intent is just about the dumbest cop-out you could have possibly used. It’s one thing if you want the teams to enforce this rule themselves, but since you have clearly stated you are not trying to endorse line brawls, I must conclude that you are a moron.
by lassathrax on Nov 15, 2011 1:38 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Selective enforcement
I think that if different teams had been involved, and the aggrieved party had tried to do something about it, then Shanahan might have done something because they don’t want games to be bedlam. The Bruins pull a lot of weight as a big market, Original 6, defending Stanley Cup Champions. The Sabres do not.
I can’t allow myself to believe this, or I will just stop watching NHL games. Which I would totally do, if I wasn’t so invested already… Every season I see things like this and have this same internal debate. I realize that the corruption is there, but I can’t let myself admit the full extent of it out of fear of losing something important to me (Sabres/NHL). Is that strange?
DAMNED IF WE DO.. DAMNED IF WE DON`T
I think that Shanahan`s ruling has put the Sabres at a competitive disadvantage. If anyone on the Sabres hits a goalie then they will be suspended because Shanahan will feel that the Sabre was “intending to do it.” Montreal ran Enroth in his own crease and a two minute penalty was only called.
If another team runs the Sabres goalie and if the Sabres retaliate, the offending Sabres will probaby face disciplinary action because the Sabres actions were intensional.
As much as I would like to see the Sabres go out and beat up on Lucic next Wednesday night I think by doing that they would risk losing the game and lose players and coaches to suspensions.
Yes
and they should do it anyway. They need to realize the long-term value in making such a statement, it will have impacts long beyond the 2 lost points and suspensions are forgotten.
Some interesting stuff from Yahoo!
The Sabres didn’t escape criticism either for their failure to rally to Miller’s defense following Lucic’s hit. Following the game, Lucic expressed surprised that the Sabres didn’t attempt to get retribution during the game.
Miller called the criticism unwarranted.
"Lucic’s a tough guy. what are you going to do, try to hack him, spear him, cheap-shot him? Then you’re no better than he is," Miller said. "I try to have their backs. I trust they have mine, so that’s the end of that one."
The Sabres acknowledged a team meeting was held a day later in Montreal to discuss how they reacted to Miller getting hit.
"We’ve discussed this as players, we’ve discussed it as a team and we want to move forward," captain Jason Pominville said. "What was said was said, and we’ve got to look forward to what’s ahead of us and not focus on what’s behind us."
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The dumbest thing Shanahan said
In criticizing Lindy Ruff, he said that he doesn’t make the policy, he just enforces it. This is technically true, but it is so completely divorced from reality it makes me think he doesn’t know what his job is, or is dumb enough to think people will believe it.
Shanahan does not promulgate the rules. However, by enforcing the rules and applying them to specific situations, he is creating policy. Rule 42 whatever is just words on a page to a player, but everyone can relate to the specific situation that the players found themselves in the other night. By making that ruling, Shanahan is creating the policy that it is perfectly okay to hit the goaltender and it is sheer idiocy to think otherwise.
by Philaster on Nov 15, 2011 4:21 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Yes.
The rule has a huge gray area in which the “violence” of the play can be judged subjectively by referees and by Shanahan. It does not say “intent” in the rule, and Shanahan chose to interpret it as such. Big mistake, because intent is way too subjective to employ any fair methods. Now he must resort to asking players if they meant it or not, which is completely besides the point of being responsible for your actions and decisions regardless of intent. Perhaps measuring violence in terms of lack of displayed effort to avoid contact, force of impact, and nature of hit and follow-through would be more objective. If that was the case, Lucic would have a major penalty and possibly a misconduct, and a 1-2 game suspension to send a message to the league would not be out of the question. Shanahan has taken a similar stance on other rules (hits to head, high-sticking), so why not on this rule? Intent should never matter in judgment, it is a cop-out of taking responsibility for negligent decisions.
by lassathrax on Nov 15, 2011 5:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
My two cents
I don’t think Lucic deserved a suspension. I find it frustrating that a hit like that is 2 minutes and a holding call behind the play is also two minutes, but those are the rules. The biggest mistake that Shanahan made was having the meeting with Lucic. If he had just ignored the hit, or immediately said it did not deserve a suspension, he would have been fine. By having the hearing and issuing a statement that Lucic said “I didn’t mean it” (I paraphrased), Shanahan comes off looking like a clown that has no idea how to do his job.
All those large suspensions he issued now have no bearing on future incidents because players no longer know what to expect from him. It is disappointing because he was harsh on many players and I thought the league would finally start scaring people into not playing dirty. I guess I was wrong.
D.O.
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by David Oleksy on Nov 16, 2011 10:39 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
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For your opinion of Shanahan. I think it did deserve a suspension, but I see your point. To me the issue is that it was an illegal play that resulted in serious injury. That is a suspendable offense to me. Regardless, the way Shanahan dealt with this is a joke. I agree that if he wasn’t going to suspend Lucic, he should have just done so and left it alone. He basically set the precedent that if he thinks it’s a borderline suspendable offense, as long as the player tells him – over the phone – that he didn’t intend to do it, or didn’t intend to hurt the player than he’ll be let off with a slap on the wrist, or less. It’s just a joke that all Shanahan needed was Lucic to say “I didn’t mean it” and sound sincere over the phone. It was apparent in his comments to the media that Lucic didn’t care what happened to Miller and that he wasn’t concerned with it at all.
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