Daily Links for Friday, October 14
by Andy Boron on Oct 14, 2011 6:00 AM EDT
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PrintHappy Friday, folks! After a long week, the wait is finally over as Buffalo takes on Carolina tonight and christens the First Niagara Center with its first home Sabres game. How excited are you that hockey is back in Buffalo? Going to the game tonight? Let's hear it in the comments. After the break, a whole mess of photo tours with commentary on the new player facilities.
ATTITUDE ADJUSTMENT - Buffalo Sabres
When Drew Stafford arrived at training camp last month, even head coach Lindy Ruff said he took a double-take when Stafford walked through the door.
A Few Things to Look Out For - Ice and Bites
On both offense and defense.
Sabres' Gerbe stands up for the troops - The Buffalo News
Forward provides points on the wing and tickets to military personnel.
Workers rush to finish First Niagara Center updates - The Buffalo News
The Sabres' new change rooms, workout area and video rooms have indeed been completed in time for the home opener Friday against Carolina. As for the rest of the building, it's a mad dash to the finish.
More Sabres Links:
The Locker Room Tour - The Willful Caboose
Kate's tour and accompanying commentary of the new locker rooms and player facilities.
Beautiful Renovation Work Complete - Game-Time Decision
A photo tour with some fabulous photos.
The Sabres New Locker Room – An Inside Peek - WNYMedia.net
Another picture tour of the new digs.
The Glass At The Bench Has Been Changed - WGR 550
The glass next to both benches in now rounded instead of a 90 degree angle. The is no glass between the Sabres bench and where Rob Ray stands for games and the glass between there and the visitors bench has been pulled back.
Around the NHL:
Connolly injury worse than originally feared - sportsnet.ca
After Thursday's practice, Tim Connolly said that his upper-body injury is worse than the team initially feared.
Crosby's full involvement in practice brings optimism - NHL.com
Penguins captain takes part in all phases of Thursday's practice.
Fraser: When do you NOT call a fighting major? - TSN
What weighs in the official's decision to not call a fighting major or to eject a player from the game if his jersey is not tied down? NHL on TSN analyst and former NHL referee Kerry Fraser has the answer - and by his own words, it's as clear as mud.
NHL Realignment: Hockey Should Look To NFL, MLB Model To Solve Problems - SBNation.com
The NHL will likely announce realignment in December. In order to solve travel and economic imbalance, the league should shift to a model that mirrors the NFL and MLB.
The 7 NHL veterans still livin’ the dream in minor leagues - Puck Daddy
Puck Daddy's list of seven players who refuse to call it quits, including two former Sabres.
Around the AHL: New look league - THN
The AHL has a few new looks, from a team to the standings and schedule, while the defending champs get off to a slow start.
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That was pretty gruesome. I can’t say I hate fighting (never sat down during a fight at the F’N Center), but I hate to see someone get hurt like that. So yea, it is a really hard tradeoff. I like fighting in the NHL….yet if they removed it from the sport, I would understand it and not be enraged (unlike Mr. Cherry).
"We’re gonna win the Stanley Cup. Then, you know what, we’re gonna win it again,"
-Terry Pegula
I definitely still think it has a place. And really, how often does some get hurt as badly as that in a fight? They both agreed to the fight, Beagle wasn’t exactly trying not to fight and then left himself open for 2 rights. I do think the gestures at the end were pretty classless since he must have known he’d knocked him out/badly hurt him.
Yeah but that after the fight stuff happens all the time...
And you know what, we love it when Kaleta smacks his hands together, Peters golf swings (although never a fight), Rob Ray giving the “its over” hand motion.
I mean, I know he was out cold… but that kinda stuff happens all the time after a fight. Just glad Beagle is going to be ok.
Fitz = M(C)²
"Lets Go Buff! a! lo!"
True. Thing is I thin Kaleta only got a misconduct because of the gestures after the Dorsett fight, otherwise it would have just been a fighting major (could be wrong though). Also pretty sure Peters got suspended for the golf swing. I didn’t mind the safe motion Asham made, it was the sleeping gesture. Though he may not have known how badly he’d hurt the guy at that point cos he did skate away very quickly after lowering him to the ice which was, on the flip side, the classy thing to do. Now it just sounds like I’m babbling.
No I get you.
Not saying Im a huge fan of it, but I know when a Sabre does it… I like it. So I dont want to be to quick to jump on Asham, plus he apologized after the game, like you said, I dont think he knew it was that serious.
Fitz = M(C)²
"Lets Go Buff! a! lo!"
Glad I'm not babbling.
I too like it when Kaleta did it. I must have watched the Dorsett fight about 1,000 times. Just, as a European Sabres fan, I don’t want to seem like I’m babbling. I don’t get to talk with other Sabres fans at all over here so this is the only place I get to do it.
Looking forward to (hopefully) finally making it to a Sabres home game in March.
Id go nuts not being able to talk hockey.
Just curious, howd you get into the NHL and more specifically, Buffalo?
Fitz = M(C)²
"Lets Go Buff! a! lo!"
I get to talk hockey. But all my friends that are hockey fans support different teams. So in depth Sabres talk I do here.
Got into NHL cos of the old computer games. Supported Buffalo cos I loved Miro Satan. Then just stuck with it. Brothers are Avalanche and Devils fans, friends are Wings, Wild and Bruins fans. Its messed up. There’s a few Toronto fans but nobody takes them seriously :)
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I think that’s how many of us are, we like it when the guys are out there mixing it up. Sometimes you really need that energy play to start a comeback when a team looks like they are rolling you on every inch of the ice. Fights can be a spark plug, they can also be a defense telling the other club to watch the boundaries or we will come after every one of you. I don’t think I’ll ever be a fan of another player coming in to fight for someone, even though I certainly understand why you don’t want to let your star open them self up to that risk.
Hopefully, the guys involved know the difference between trying to hurt someone, and trying to injure someone. I would rather run the risk of a guy losing a couple teeth from a fist than have him take a massive boarding. I do think players policing themselves is better.
Every good fight does deserve some kind of gesture though, it’s been in the NHL video games for a while, win the fight; wave your hand in disdain at the lump who wasn’t worthy to stand toe to toe with you.
Look at when guys in box lax go “buckets off” those guys can pound each other, especially when you are planted on the ground instead of on skates.
I know I don’t speak for anyone other than myself, and I do accept the arguments people make against fighting, I just like the game more with them.
Rob Ray should be sent $.25 for every jersey that has a fight strap sewn in it. Ok, that should be enough crazy for now.
This is exactly how I feel...
I do accept the arguments people make against fighting, I just like the game more with them.
I just hate “I want to see fights” fan. That pisses me off, Hockey is such a beautiful game and it gets a bad rap from those type of fans. I go to a few Elmira Jackals games a year and those fans drive me crazy, theyd rather see fights than goals. Which ironically enough… theres usually more fights per game than goals it seems.
Fitz = M(C)²
"Lets Go Buff! a! lo!"
Wasn't it on DBTB
Where we had the “Don’t be ‘that’ Fan” article, maybe like 2 months ago? We need to add “I want to see fights” fan to the list, that fan is an idiot.
I remember it and I completely agree. I love the game of Hockey. I love the speed, the beauty, and the physical nature. I like fighting in the game because of the standing up for your teammate or keeping people in line when they step out aspect. I don’t root for fights to happen but believe they are completely part of the game.
Rooting for blood and liking fights more than goals isn’t hockey. If you like blood sport go to an MMA or Boxing match.
"If we needed any more motivation to win a Cup sooner than later, we've got one now," Black said. "I really want to listen to the game that RJ calls when he finally gets to shout out, 'Buffalo wins the Stanley Cup.'"
by FloridaBuffalo on Oct 14, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree with you that it still has a place in the game
but with the new concussion protocol being established in the NHL and other pro-sports, I would not be surprised if fighting was eliminated since it is a blatant hit to the head. I know knockouts are pretty uncommon when it comes to hockey fights, but to see someone just hit the ice without being able to stop themselves is brutal. Again, to me it is a hard trade-off to make.
Also, I agree that what Asham did was classles and I am glad he apologized for it. Yet on the other hand, watching Ray knock out someone from the 90s and do something afterwards is AWESOME. So, I obviously am just a complete oxymoron.
Overall, nice discussion. Everyone has real valid points.
"We’re gonna win the Stanley Cup. Then, you know what, we’re gonna win it again,"
-Terry Pegula
rubbing it in isn’t necessary, but in the moment and with all the adrenaline and testosterone flowing I can see why it happens. I know when I used to play college baseball I celebrated in a way I shouldn’t have a couple times. Off the top of my head, I was a catcher and got ran over on a tag up play and I held onto the ball for the third out. I took the baseball and slammed it into the ground next to where the runner who ran me over was laying. I got beaned in the back my next at-bat. Also when I hit a walk-off home run in extra innings of a rivalry game and yelled something along the lines of “F*CK YES!” as the ball cleared the fence. You regret it afterwards but in the heat of the moment it just happens.
Side Note: You really want to know what hurts… Getting ran over while playing catcher. It’s like getting hit by a car. ESPN Sports Science did a special on getting ran over and how much force is behind a runner and believe me you feel every bit of it.
And you know what, we love it when Kaleta smacks his hands together, Peters golf swings (although never a fight), Rob Ray giving the "its over" hand motion.
and we all cheer loudly when it happens, and watch the replays on youtube. It’s when someone gets hurt that makes it all look classless and foolish. I don’t think the objective of fighting is to hurt the other person, it’s to show them that you don’t like what they’ve done and to remind them that someone is going to stand up against them. I think a lot of fighters in the NHL hold themselves back.
"If we needed any more motivation to win a Cup sooner than later, we've got one now," Black said. "I really want to listen to the game that RJ calls when he finally gets to shout out, 'Buffalo wins the Stanley Cup.'"
by FloridaBuffalo on Oct 14, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I know it’s semantics, but the point of fighting in many ways is to “hurt” the other guy, the difference is when someone suffers an “injury.”
The head game is a big part of what happens, if you smoke someone, deke someone, juke someone, burn someone, own someone; you hear the crowd and your bench react. If you’re on the road you play to hear the boos, at home you live for the cheers. When a player first knocks somone out, the very first thought isn’t “jeepers I hope I didn’t injure this guy, he’s probably quite the sporting chap” the thought is more like “that’s what you get for thinking you could try to take a little bit of my piece of this earth.” It’s different because it’s after the play, time is stopped and you are afforded the slight break in play to let your guard down and just react to the moment. Not everyone has the control to “act live you’ve been there.”
Play with emotion, but dont play emotional.
Me and “quote” quotations are friggin annoying…
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