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Picturing Parise as a Sabre

Breaking News:  The New Jersey Devils are in trouble.  Because of Ilya Kovalchuk's new deal, the Devils are approximately $3M over the cap.  As I did earlier this offseason, it's again time for me to put on my GM cap on and go wheeling and dealing.  Yes-I'm targeting Zach Parise.  He's an American and more than that he's a heck of a player.  So why would Lou Lamoriello be willing to move him?  Let me count the ways:

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1) His cap hit is at $3.125M which would obviously get them under the cap.  2) He's their (now) second best LW [though I would argue that he's much, much more valuable than Kovalchuk] but he's 25 and would net an excellent return.  3) Given that they're losing two draft picks they'd like to recoup them if possible.

Of course because Parise is a RFA entering the 2011-2012 season Lamoriello could trade other players and then not match an offer for Parise and get the draft picks back that way plus clear cap space at the same time.  That being said, many of his other high priced players have too many years at too many dollars left on their contracts and would be more difficult to move.  Moreover, several have no movement or no trade clauses.

Ok so what would it take for Parise to don blue and gold?  Here's my proposal (make it happen Darcy!): Trade 2011-2012 1st rounder, 2011-2012 3rd rounder, 2012-2013 2nd rounder, 2014-2015 1st rounder, RW Corey Tropp, LW Jacob Lagace, and D T.J. Brennan to New Jersey for LW Zach Parise and 2013-2014 4th rounder.  Why this trade works: Aside from the things noted above, New Jersey gets three quality players who are close to contributing at the NHL level.  They also recoup the two picks they lost after being penalized by Bettman.  As for the Sabres, their net draft pick loss is only "three".  With Tim Connolly's, Mike Grier's, and Rob Niedermayer's salaries coming off the books next year the Sabres could sign Parise to a long term deal in the range of $7M (or less) per year (based on the combined cap hits for those three players this year).  Why this trade won't work: Do the Devils really want to trade away a player that could help them contend for the Atlantic Division if not the Eastern Conference or Stanley Cup?  Is Tom Golisano willing to pony up the $3.125 million for this year, especially in light of the public perception surrounding Tim Kennedy's contract situation?  Will Darcy really deal two 1st rounders AND three prospects?

There is one more reason that the Sabres MUST do this deal (if it's even a remote possibility).  Even if Buffalo's not willing to match whatever another team offers Parise (and honestly unless it's in the $5M range I'd pass as the Sabres will have to pay the likes of Tyler Myers and Tyler Ennis in due time) they could potentially get FOUR first round draft picks if they don't match.  If that happens their net draft pick loss of "three" actually becomes a net gain of one and they would essentially get the two first round picks back.  All in all-I don't see this happening.  But if I were GM it is something I would at least explore and would absolutely do if presented with the opportunity.

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I would think

That the Devils would have quite a bit of interest in Enroth. Yes, or no?

The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun

by mob16151 on Sep 14, 2010 12:44 AM EDT reply actions  

Exactly

I think we could give up less if we were to include Ehroth. I’d also include Persson as they may have greater luck with the Swedes. I would also include our R1 in 2011, as it is considered a weak class.

An area of weakness with the Devils is goaltending prospects and they may take this deal

by kernow on Sep 14, 2010 5:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Couple problems

What do we do with Vanek then? Second line LW worth a 7.14 million dollar cap hit? Switch one of them over to RW? Plus…do you really want a proposed (by you) 15 million dollars invested in Left Wing? I mean right now Kovie is worth LESS than Vanek.

And we’re giving up too much. Troop and two picks (1st and 2nd) is the highest I’d go. Maybe just consecutive 1st rounders at most.

Would love to see it happen though

by SPACE K on Sep 14, 2010 6:06 AM EDT reply actions  

Pure Fantasy

It ain’t gonna happen. We are stuck with the players we have, and they are already preparing to play golf in April 2011.

by Geolover on Sep 14, 2010 8:35 AM EDT reply actions  

I just ignore him entirely… But on another note, this trade is silly, no way the devils trade him for anything, no way the sabres give all that up, no way the devils don’t take an NHLer back, no way we need another left wing….

Fun thought exercise though.

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by Ubiquitous on Sep 14, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s just upset he can’t post anonymously on TBN anymore.

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by Afino on Sep 14, 2010 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really? I noticed a few things myself:
1. You have a habit of having to reply to geolover and calling him names when you disagree.
2. You apparently don’t read his positive (or neutral) comments below. There are a whole bunch of them. Here’s a few:

I’m really excited to see what ennis will do during a full season. I’ve been waiting for this since the first reports about him out of his first rookie camp. Wonder if he’s going to keep #63

Ellis is a good honest player and the Sabres management is wise to keep him in the organization. Additionally, unlike Kennedy, he was willing and wise to accept a two-way contract

Tallinder and Lydman were in the last year of their contracts which explains their relatively high positions. Hecht was a very pleasant surprise. I still think Grier is too old and too slow.
I don’t think Lalime underperformed. I think the Sabres defense and offense underperformed when he was in net.
In my opinion, Vanek did not meet expectations. He is supposed to be a 40 or 50 goal scorer.
Tim Horton, of course, wins hands down. He is one of the greatest defenseman to ever play in the NHL. Perhaps one day Myers will approach that greatness. Only time will tell.

And then there is this beauty of him defending the Sabres on the Preds blog.

I live in the New York Metropolitan area, and believe you me, the Sabres are not under the radar hear. They are both respected and feared by Devils, Rangers and Islanders fans.
To wit, Ken Danyko who is the color man for the Devils raved over the play of Tyler Myers all of last season. He picked Myres to win the Calder Trophy way back in November of 2010.

Disagreeing is one thing. But perhaps some fans are getting frustrated with the treading water of the Sabres and criticizing them doesn’t mean they hate them. If they get shouted down on this blog, it really will limit how many people read or comment on this site.

Now, I don’t think this will ever happen b/c Darcy will never send that many picks and prospects for one player. So, does that make me not a Sabres fan?

by bluecollarbuffalo on Sep 14, 2010 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

1 of those comments wasn’t made by him. He’s been… um.. not so negative 3 times in all the times he’s posted about the Sabres. Not bad for a guy who said Tyler Myers was a “Traitor” for playing for Team Canada.

I’m all for people voicing their opinions and frustrations, but when it’s nonsense it drives me insane. Probably the main reason I stopped reading TBN and hid the Sabres fan page on Facebook. DBTB is by far the best community I’ve been on and has the least amount of Yahoos screaming for someone’s head when they completely have no idea what is going on.

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by FloridaBuffalo on Sep 15, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

While I certainly wouldn’t mind seeing Parise in a Sabres uniform this year it doesn’t seem very plausible.

Despite the Kovulchuk signing, I still see Parise as the face of the Devils franchise and with Brouduer possibly only having a few good years left in him I can’t imagine they would be willing to sell their star player and fan favorite. With their recent pickup of a pair of quality d-men, I would guess they try to free up some cap space by dropping someone like Bryce Salvador (2.90 cap hit) or maybe Dainius Zubrus (3.40 cap hit). Jason Arnott (4.5 cap hit) also becomes a free agent next year which will open more space for a Parise resigning.

As for acquiring Parise, I wouldn’t be willing to make a giant offer for a player with one year left on his contract so an extension would need to be part of the deal. I wouldn’t mind a RFA offer, but I doubt it would come very cheap.

by kitaman27 on Sep 14, 2010 10:56 AM EDT reply actions  

1) Yes, yes it would. So would Zubrus’ $3.4m cap hit. I know which one I’d bet on getting traded first.

While true it would put them under the cap by about $150k, they’d still have to replace his spot on the roster and find a 13th forward, which doesn’t work out even if both spots are filled at league minimum $500k deals. Plus, it still leaves zero room for moves during the year if they’re needed.

That means someone else will have to go also. If trading Zach alone would solve everything, I might be able to see an argument for it (it’d still have to be a pretty good one), but since no matter how it’s done it’s going to take the movement of at least two players, I see very little possibility of Parise being one of them.

2) No, he’s still the best one.

3) They’re losing a 3rd rounder, which they’ve notoriously done poorly with in the past, and a (likely late) first rounder during any of the next four years they choose. Losing them is rough, but it’s not at all crippling. Recouping them will not be a priority.

That being said, many of his other high priced players have too many years at too many dollars left on their contracts and would be more difficult to move.

Most of the players with NTC/NMCs are part of the core (Volchenkov, Brodeur, Elias, Kovalchuk), were just recently acquired (Arnott, Hedberg), or are on a bargain contract (Langenbrunner) and wouldn’t be moved anyway. Arnott, Hedberg and Langenbrunner (combined $8.8m) only have one year left on their deals and will be coming off the books just in time for Parise’s raise.

The lone contract that fits your description is Rolston’s. His is definitely hand-cuffing the team, and there is some hope that a deal might be worked out to have him picked up on re-entry waivers.

Why this trade won’t work: Do the Devils really want to trade away a player that could help them contend for the Atlantic Division if not the Eastern Conference or Stanley Cup?

The answer is an emphatic no. The team is quite obviously in ‘win-now’ mode, so trading a top 10 forward, and the ‘1’ in the proverbial ‘1-2 punch’ for some prospects that are either unnecessary (the team has a glut at LW) or similar to what they already have and picks they aren’t concerned with recouping would be counter-productive to their goal to win another Cup for Marty while the fast-closing window is still open.

Playing Devils' advocate since 1982.

by elesias on Sep 14, 2010 10:57 AM EDT reply actions  

My Issue

First of all-thanks for responding. Please note that I didn’t post this to say that this was a possibility.

All in all-I don’t see this happening. But if I were GM it is something I would at least explore and would absolutely do if presented with the opportunity.
I realize it’s a pipe dream for many of the reasons you mention.

But more than that-my issue is that Darcy wouldn’t even dream about this. If he actually read this proposal he would dismiss it without batting an eye. Perhaps “I” am giving up too much. But the economics of this deal stop it dead in its tracks and that’s why we don’t do things like this. Regier is simply NOT aggressive enough and then when he is sometimes too aggressive (Zubrus and Torres).

Again, if I’m the Devils-there’s no way I’m doing this deal. (Though I’m not sure if someone would be willing to take Rolston or Zubrus). If I’m the Sabres and the Devils are even thinking about maybe sorta considering whispering about possibly trading Parise-this is a move you do because he is a leader and great player.

Time will tell I suppose because the Devils have to do something to get under the cap.

by BBFan4Ever on Sep 14, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I understand. I guess it’s just that since the whole Kovalchuk saga began the rumor-mill about not being able to keep Parise started in earnest and, frankly, I get a little tired of hearing it.

I’ve no issue with the speculation, it’s healthy stuff and far better than the “They signed Kovy, they can’t keep Parise LOLZ!” junk you see elsewhere because you obviously put some thought into it. I just wanted to play Devil’s advocate (pun fully intended) and counter your argument :)

Now, if you wanted to speculate what an offer sheet from Buffalo might look like if he made it to RFA status, and whether or not Lou might let him go if it were high enough (despite the infinitesimal chance of it every happening in actuality)… that’s another story.

Playing Devils' advocate since 1982.

by elesias on Sep 14, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

How can you harp on a GM for not even considering a trade that will obviously never happen for any team? You certainly can’t complain about it with a straight face. Sure Darcy would never think of doing this deal, not because it isn’t a good deal (I feel you are over paying myself) but because it will never happen as NJ won’t trade away Parise.

It is fine to harp on Darcy for things he will or won’t do, as long as they are based on reality. This however is not. No GM in the league is contemplating this sort of deal…

by clownfat on Sep 14, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Point well taken

Perhaps Regier gets too much blame around these parts. I believe it was D.O. that said as fans we get wrapped up in what Bucky (and perhaps other media outlets) constantly say. That is legitimate.

I AM certain that Darcy is TRYING to help the Sabres hoist the Cup. I’m less certain though that he explores EVERYTHING. No I don’t have access so maybe he does. But I have a hard time thinking that way considering the “internal budget” which I understand is not his doing.

My gripe may be unfounded and I’ll readily admit that I’m wishfully thinking, but even if you look like a fool why can’t Regier call up Lamoriello and ask, “Hey are you open to listening for offers on Parise?” If the answer is no (as I think it would be) then fine. But IF the Sabres don’t even make that call and IF they don’t make that call based on finances then he should be harped on.

by BBFan4Ever on Sep 14, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Two things on that last paragraph:

1. If Darcy doesn’t make that call because of financial restrictions, and the internal budget isn’t his doing (which it’s not), then how would he be to blame in that situation?
and,
2) Even baring the financial stipulations, maybe he doesn’t make that call because he doesn’t want to get a reputation as a GM who makes outlandish and unrealistic proposals? Darcy is already arguably in a Billy Bean-esque position where other GM’s are wary of dealing with him based on past rip-offs (the Drury and Briere trades); he doesn’t need this new type of rep possibly being added on top of that.

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by Ogre39666 on Sep 18, 2010 3:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's not a dream, it's a nightmare for both teams

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by dees ees en drama on Sep 23, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

re Parise

Sorry , you’re dreaming if you think they will give this guy up and certainly not for your package which doesn’t include one NHL player !, THEY WILL NOT TRADE THEIR BEST PLAYER AND THAT INCLUDES KOVY

by nogoal39hasek on Sep 14, 2010 1:15 PM EDT reply actions  

They're $5m-$6m over the cap

The Devils are already $3.5m over the cap having signed only 21 players. Add two more, and the fact that some of their most expensive contracts are tied to players like Rolston and Elias who have no trade contracts.

And they can’t cull their lesser paid players because these people will still need to be replaced.

With Tedenby down at the farm, they’ve got a future LW coming through and put simply trading Parise for value in terms of prospects and draft picks makes sense especially as they now have the Russian signed for the rest of his career.

As for Parise and Vanek, there is no reason to think that at some point we might look to move Vanek.

by kernow on Sep 14, 2010 3:59 PM EDT reply actions  

put simply trading Parise for value in terms of prospects and draft picks makes sense especially as they now have the Russian signed for the rest of his career.

Trading Parise makes zero sense, especially since they just signed Kovalchuk.

Clearing Parise’s salary off of the books gets them barely under the cap and, as you point out, they still have some roster spots to fill out. Even at league minimum salary, Parise’s replacement alone puts them back over the cap. That leaves them minus Parise and still over the cap… a net loss in every definable way.

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by elesias on Sep 16, 2010 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

players moved

No question they are in a bad position but can you imagine the response in NJ if they traded Parise !! , look for them to give up Zubrus, Salvador and they may have to send a high pick just for a team to take them

by nogoal39hasek on Sep 14, 2010 7:04 PM EDT reply actions  

PARISE

We will see Parise in a Sabres jersey the day monkeys fly out of my butt…

by lupah99 on Sep 15, 2010 8:09 PM EDT reply actions  

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