i dont want kaberle

by 4honors on Jun 12, 2010 11:40 PM EDT

ive been reading alot of post's about the sabres picking up kaberle from toronto. seems to me that most of the post are from fans from toronto. they range from somewhat reasonable to ridiculas. im just gonna throw this out there that even if the trade was just right, i dont want kaberle at all. he's good on the pp but would be a liability on the back end. in general your only on the pp for about 8 mins a game. now out of that 8mins kaberle would be out there for prob 5-6 of them. what about the other 52mins of the game? ive seen post for the sabres to trade connolly (our top 3 foward) straight up for him; all the way to buffalo forking over our 1st round pick, last years 1st (kassian), drew stafford and enroth ( our possible future goalie) for kaberle and a prospect. why would buffalo give up so much for a player that handcuffed the leafs organization into trading him? if we were gonna get him we wouldnt be giving up much. im just glad that i have the confidence in reigher that i know he definately wont be pressured in to making that move. does any sabres fan want to trade within the division again? i think all of paille's goals were against the sabres lol. unless we are really low balling toronto i dont want kaberle. the deal would have to be really one sided for buffalo for me to jump on board.

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You’re not getting Kaberle from burke without overpaying. Burkie isn’t stupid at all and he knows how to get the most out of trades and such….

by Steven Hida on Jun 13, 2010 11:21 AM EDT reply actions

i dont want kaberle

i dont want kaberle regardless of the trade. he was a minus 16 last year. he also helped toronto to have that “highly touted” 30th ranked powerplay lol. helping the leafs powerplay to a blistering 13.968 %. yeah we dont need that kind of help. people want us to scoop him up and quarterback our powerplay, well we should look at how well he quaterbacked toronto’s powerplay. also not every player is a good mentor. kaberle seems more on the quiet and reserved side. it seems like more vocal players make good mentors. also have we all learned our lesson about trading within the division. it always comes back to haunt you.

by 4honors on Jun 13, 2010 11:54 AM EDT reply actions

I don’t want him unless he’s traded for stafford straight up. I’d accept that trade because i imagine he’s more useful than Stafford

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by Ubiquitous on Jun 14, 2010 8:48 AM EDT up reply actions

stafford made 1.5 last year. has sored 14-20 goals the last 3 years and was a plus 5. what do people expect out of a foward making 1.5 a year? stafford is set to make 2.1 this season with a cap hit of 1.9. kaberle is set to make 4.25. why do we want this guy if he was soo ineffective in toronto? lets force the leafs to keep him. he kills their cap, has been steadily getting worse (check out his plus/minus), and quaterbacked toronto’s pp to the 30th ranked pp. i would be happy if at the end of next season stafford had a positive +/- and scored around 20 goals. in my opinion i dont want kaberle at all and i still have hope for stafford (definately not to be the next wayne gretzky but to be a effective winger who plays decent in our system). our pp was in the top half of the league last year. i was happy with that.

by 4honors on Jun 14, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions

lets force the leafs to keep him.

Heh, I hate to tell ya but I’m pretty sure Buffalo isn’t the only bidder.

Truthfully I’m not a fan of trading him in the division either. I just hope he goes to a city where he will sign long term.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 14, 2010 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions

You still have hope for Stafford?

You lost me there. You must be the last one. I understood your reasons for not wanting Kaberle, but you went too far in saying you’d rather have Stafford. Stafford is not now, nor will he ever be an effective winger in our system. I state that as a fact because he is lazy. Even when he is scoring goals, he is a liability on the ice. If you are that bad defensively, you better be Ilya Kovalchuk on offense, because you are hurting your team. Kaberle had more points on the blue line, for a baaaaad Leafs team. Plus/minus on a bad team is a poor way to judge his talents. He is not as bad as Gonchar on the back end, and everyone talks about Gonchar like he is Ray Bourque. Their PP was 30th because they have little offensive talent. You can’t QB a powerplay if your forwards don’t establish the puck in the zone, and get in front of the net.

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by willgarr15 on Jun 17, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions

i have slim hope for stafford, but still hope.

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by Ubiquitous on Jun 17, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions

willgarr15

did you watch any toronto games last year? i was able to watch about 20 of them. kaberle looked horrible defensively and was soft. he’s defensive play shows up in his stats. dont try to pawn it off by saying toronto was a bad team and everyone had a bad plus minus cause that is just not the case. ian white played on the same bad team yet had outstanding #’s. at what point are you gonna realize that statistics can correalate to how well a player plays. espicially on the pp when there are only 4 other guys on the ice to hold the blame. he was the quaterback of that pp, it sucked and that is another indication of his play.

drew stafford the last 3 seasons scored 16,20,14 goals. finished 3,3,+4 and made 1.5 or less. those #s are great for that contract.

to me its a no brainer. stafford plays up to his contract and plays well in our system, we also have rights to him after next year. kaberle is not worth his contract and after next season he’s a ufa. no thank you.

by 4honors on Jun 17, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions

I'm not advocating for Kaberle

Just saying that comparably, I’d take him over Staff. When you compared the two, that’s where I objected. Those numbers are fine for Stafford’s salary, but not his position. He is our top-line, power forward. He plays softer than Bob Dole’s, well, you know. He is terrible defensively and has 22, 25, 20 assists the last 3 years playing with, primarily, two guys that have scored over 200 goals in that timeframe. He needs to be doing more. His contract is nice, that’s great, but he is killing this team with his play. The worst part is, that he is so soft in the corners and so bad defensively that you can’t even put him on a checking line when he is in a slump, you just have to stick the loser in the press box. And that still doesn’t seem to motivate him!
You have a point about Kaberle, perhaps I don’t watch enough Leafs games to see how he has diminished in the last couple years. At some point, good players need to play well no matter who they are playing with, you are right. Maybe I just remember the Kabs of previous years and that image is stuck in my head about his play. My only last thought is that he has always been soft, but his puck-moving and offensive prowess have over-shadowed those deficiencies in the past. Perhaps that is no longer true, that maybe his defense is too much of a liability anymore and his offense has declined as well. And therefore made him about as useful as, say, Drew Stafford ha! jk

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by willgarr15 on Jun 17, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions

stafford finished with a plus minus never lower than +3 the last 3 seasons. how is that not effective for a guy who makes 1.5mil.
the most important and telling statistic for a defenseman is his plus minus. butler had a poor showing last year and it shows in his plus minus. afiniginov would score 20 goals yet his plus minus was terrible thats why we got rid of him. stafford is only 3 seasons in the league. he still has time to develop. he wont be a top goal scorer but he is an effective winger in our system for the money he commands.

by 4honors on Jun 17, 2010 4:00 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs

+/- is a very misleading stat.

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by Ogre39666 on Jun 23, 2010 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions

4honors, You are in love with plus minus!!!

Kaberle’s offensive ability’s overshadow his bad defensive skills without a doubt. Every player cant be great across the board, but atleast Kaberle puts up good offensive numbers for a defensemen and last time I checked just about every team who has an offensive defensemen pairs him with a solid stay at home guy(Everyone makes fun of Mike Greens defensive skills, yet everyone would love to have him because its not that big of a deal when he produces good plays, not just a good or bad plus minus) and I am not putting Kaberle on the same level as Green in any way. But why not risk Kaberle’s offensive skills and see what they do for Buffalo; pair him with a decent stay at home defensemen Rivet, Weber, Sign Mckee or another guy whose available whats so wrong with that?? And Who is this player that you plan on getting thats great in every single area of the game? That rarely happens and when it does those players are called franchise players. Taking kaberle and pairing him with someone who is a decent stay at home defensemen would not work out as bad as you think. We 100% desperately need and offensive defensemen and a good one BOTTOM LINE, who else do you think we are going to get who is better than him? Joe Corvo’s is about the only other guy available that comes close and he really doesn’t come that close(and I honestly think thats who Regier will sign instead of Kaberle) but I just don’t get where you think these amazing all around defensemen come from especially at a price of 4.25 million. In reality besides franchise players(not all), every player has one part of his game that he is better at than another and it such cases you put other players around him that are good at his weaknesses such as kaberles weak defensive play, its called building a team you don’t just have a roster full of players who are great in all aspects of the game you have to be realistic and you are not especially when you only judge a player mainly on his plus minus stats. Sabres need an offensive defensemen bottom line and are looking for one, he doesn’t have to be great defensively majority of the ones in the NHL aren’t good defensively anyways and 4.25 is not that bad when you compare the contracts of other offensive defensmen who only put up 10 or 15 more points then Kaberle(and who says if we sign him to an extension he receives that much again?)

by shBuffalofan on Jun 24, 2010 11:35 PM EDT reply actions