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Making the Most of the Offseason (2)

A little over a week ago I posted the first version of this and, at least it seemed, people enjoyed it enough to prompt me to have another crack at it. This one is going to be a bit longer so bear with me. For convenience I've also broken this edition down into a few categories: 'trades', 'free agent signings', and let's call the last category 'the leafs win the cup next year' in the sense that it's never going to happen. Let me take this opportunity to apologize to anyone who feels I've taken an idea of theirs. I'll try to give credit when I can and though I read most everything on this site sometimes I can't remember where I read something. So if I've presented an idea that you had previously mentioned feel free to leave a comment and I'll attribute the idea properly. Oh, and also - unlike last time I'm not totally on board with all of these ideas. Some of them I think would actually be bad for the Sabres but I wanted to throw them out there anyway for conversation.

Star-divide

Before I begin I'm also going to lay out Buffalo's draft picks in the 2010 draft, I'll be referencing them and this will hopefully make it easier. Buffalo will pick 23rd overall in the first round and hold these picks in the following (rounds):

(1) - 23, (3) - 68, (3) - 75, (3) - 83, (4) - 98, (5) - 143, (6) - 173, (7) - 203, (7) - somewhere between 207-210 depending on San Jose's finish.

Ok, here we go.


TRADES

First up in this category is a trade that has been mentioned once or twice around here (first by djc1877) both by Sabres and Leaf fans. The trade is a fairly simple one: Tim Connolly for Tomas Kaberle. The cap hits for each player are similar (4.5 and 4.25 respectively) and both teams would be gaining something in a need area. Honestly I'm not a big fan of this idea but it's certainly plausible.

Reasons it could happen:

  • Single player trades where both players have similar cap numbers mean no cap worries for either team, often the simpler the more likely to happen.
  • Kaberle could provide the Sabres with a PP QB while Connolly would provide scoring for the leafs - areas of need for both teams.

Reasons it won't happen:

  • The Sabres are already a bit weak down the middle and losing one of the more talented players at the center position would only make things worse.
  • Brian Burke seems to have a specific idea in mind for the type of player he'll be targeting and I don't think an oft-injured center fits that mold.

Next we have a trade with the Columbus Blue Jackets who are pretty desperate for improvement. Paul Gaustad, Nathan Gerbe, and pick 68 for R.J. Umberger, Matt Calvert, and pick 34. The Blue Jackets would get a replacement center who brings less offense but more intangibles (FO%, defense, leadership). Gerbe would also be a great addition for them and could step into a top 2 line role, he's a much more NHL ready prospect than Calvert and will likely be better in the long run. The Sabres would be getting a big center who could add a scoring punch to a third line along with a decent prospect on the LW (which would help even out the organization's abundance of C and RW prospects and players) and would also get a chance to move back into the second round in the draft.
Reasons it could happen:

  • Both teams would stand to gain something in this trade and trading the same number of players, prospects, and draft picks leaves neither team short.
  • Umberger makes 3.75 million per year while Gaustad and Gerbe make 2.3 and .85 respectively, both teams have the cap space to make this happen.

Reasons it won't happen:

 

  • Gaustad has been identified as a member of the Sabres core and is unlikely to be moved.
  • Columbus might be weary of picking up a contract for an (arguably) overpaid 4th line center.

This next trade was brought up by Tom Luongo in another post but I thought I'd reiterate it here for anyone who might have missed it. Tom proposed trading Derek Roy or Tim Connolly, Chris Butler, and Jhonas Enroth to Dallas for Brad Richards (with a conditional first round pick if he resigned with the Sabres). In this deal Dallas would get a replacement center and could start to rebuild with a young defenseman and one of the top goalie prospects. The Sabres would of course be getting a point per game center in a big body (6'0", 200) who would hopefully resign with the Sabres after his contract expired in 2011. Richards would make 7.8 million next year but that large cap hit would be partially offset by the loss of Roy (4) or Connolly's (4.5) salary, making the cap increase between 3 and 4 million - a manageable amount for the Sabres. From there the hope would be to get him signed to a more cap-friendly contract below 7 million. At age 30, Richards would likely be willing to consider a pay cut if it came with a longer deal on a contending team like the Sabres.
Reasons it could happen:

  • The Sabres are in need of a true number one center which this trade would provide them with.
  • Dallas needs to rebuild after finishing well out of the playoff picture last season and could start that process by dealing their most expensive player.

Reasons it won't happen:

  • Dallas could either try to get a bigger haul for Richards prior to the start of the season or wait until the trade deadline to deal him, that is if they want to deal him at all - not a foregone conclusion.

 

FREE AGENT SIGNINGS

One free agent I find pretty intriguing is Sergei Gonchar. It becomes more likely every day that Gonchar will be moving on from Pittsbrugh as they are unlikely to be able to accommodate his contract and thus will likely let him leave. The situation with Gonchar is a tricky one because, at 36, he'll likely be looking to sign his last contract in the NHL. At the same time, if he were to retire before the conclusion of his contract his salary would count against the cap due to the over 35 rule in the CBA. Thus the balancing act becomes trying to lower his yearly cap hit by making his contract longer but not so long that he will retire (or become ineffective) before its conclusion. Gonchar made 5 million last season with the Penguins and is unlikely to agree to much less this year. That being said, the Sabres definitely have the room to bring in Gonchar, especially if the plan is to use the money saved from Lydman (2.9) and Tallinder's (2.6) contracts. Giving Gonchar 5 million next season would mean we'd be short one defenseman but it seems likely that between Sekera, Butler, and Weber those youngsters could hold down two roster spots. If the Sabres could get Gonchar with a deal around 3 years and 13 million (5, 4, 4) it would certainly be worth considering, if the team is comfortable with letting their two FA defensemen walk.

Reasons it could happen:

  • The Sabres are in need of a PP QB, which Gonchar would become while also bringing leadership and experience as a cup winner.
  • Bringing in Gonchar as a puck moving offensive defenseman would take tons of pressure of Myers while providing him with a mentor.
  • With Lydman and Tallinder potentially leaving and Rivet's contract set to expire next year the Sabres have plenty of cap room and can afford to spend a little more on their defense.

Reasons it won't happen:

  • Offering anything more than a two year contract to a 36 year-old is a big gamble that could work out brilliantly or could make what we're overpaying for Rivet look like a steal.
  • Gonchar might still try to take a pay cut to stay with the Pens, avoid moving, and continue to have a very real shot of winning another cup.
  • Being the premier offensive defenseman in the free agent market could drive his price up and another team with more cap room and desperation could end up making a more lucrative offer.

This one is a real long shot but I'll put it out there anyway. Montreal is having a heck of a postseason and much of that success is due to their new star goaltender. The Canadiens will surely do everything they can to keep Halak but will that mean Tomas Plekanec could be sent packing? It's hard to say but the Canadians will certainly have a difficult time keeping Price, Halak, and Plekanec - all three of which will be getting new contracts this offseason. If somehow Plekanec did become available he would be a guy worth considering as a consistent 20 goal scorer over the past four years (20, 29, 20, 25). He's also got decent size (5'11", 200) and is relatively injury free. If the Sabres could acquire Plekanec and move Connolly it's hard to argue that wouldn't be an improvement.

Reasons it could happen:

  • Montreal has succeeded in the postseason despite getting only 4 goals and 11 points in 17 games from Plekanec - a relatively modest contribution Montreal might feel it could do without.
  • Though Montreal almost certainly wants to keep Plekanec, their first priority will undoubtedly by Halak. If that means Plekanec walks - so be it.

Reasons it won't happen:

  • If I were Montreal I'd let Price walk before Plekanec. Realistically though, Montreal will probably be able to sign them both.
  • Though Plekanec has been consistent in the goal department his point total has fluctuated pretty wildly, a risk the Sabres may not be interested in taking.

Next we have a rather enigmatic player in Olli Jokinen. He established himself as a pretty reliable goal scorer with Florida (36, 26, 38, 39, and 34 goals from 2002-2008) but it seems relatively clear that he's started to decline. In his last two seasons Jokinen went from Pheonix to Calgary to the New York Rangers and amassed goal totals of 29 in 2008-2009 and 15 in 2009-2010. At 31 it seems unlikely that he will return to anywhere near 40 goals a year but it is certainly possible that he could get back in the 20-30 range again. Pheonix, Calgary, and New York all failed to get as much out of him as they hoped but there's going to be some team out there who thinks they can get the effective Jokinen back. He made 5.2 million last year between the Flames and Rangers but his recent decline in production makes me think he might be in line for a pay cut. Honestly it's hard to say if he's washed up like some people think but if the Sabres could sign him for something in the 4 million range it could be worth considering.

Reasons it could happen:

  • Jokinen is a big body (6'3", 215) who could add a scoring punch to a first or second line.
  • Center is a position of some need for the Sabres, especially a center with some size.
  • The Sabres have the cap room to fit Jokinen in and could stand to get a deal on him based on a poor outing last season, that is if he returns to form.

Reasons it won't happen:

  • Jokinen is likely to be too pricey for Darcy, even if he makes less than last year.
  • As an older guy Jokinen might prefer a longer term contract which the Sabres might be reluctant to give him.
  • If last year was an indication of what's to come the Sabres have no need for a player who would eat up top line minutes while only producing 15 goals on the season.

TORONTO WINS THE STANLEY CUP IN 2011 (AND OTHER THINGS THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN)

First up in this category is the Pittsburgh Penguins who are currently suffering media whippings as a result of a game seven defeat at the hands of the Canadians. Before I continue I'd like to refer back to the subheading of this category and reiterate that I know the chances of this happening are non-existent. Anyway, Pittsburgh would be unwise to blow up a team that has made two trips to the Stanley Cup and won it once. That being said, one of the most talked about options for Pittsburgh would be to move Evgeni Malkin. Now what would a future hall of fame talent like Malkin command on the trade market?  It's hard to say. John Grigg thinks Malkin and a fifth round pick to Edmonton for the first overall selection, Magnus Paajarvi-Svensson and Sheldon Souray would be a fair trade. For the Sabres, I wonder if Connolly, Myers, and a pick would be an equivalent trade for each team. Both teams have the cap space to make this happen and both teams would gain something they lack. Pittsburgh would be getting a replacement center and a defenseman who looks poised to grow into one of the game's greats. Connolly would take over on the third line for them pushing Staal up to the second and Myers would replace Gonchar and become an anchor on their back end. Buffalo on the other hand would get their hands on an elusive more-than point-per-game player. Malkin is a generational talent who has yet to put up less than 28 goals or 77 points in a season (which was this year when he played in only 67 games). At 23, it seems unlikely that Malkin will be dipping below 100 points per full season anytime soon and would immediately make a top line with Vanek beyond extremely dangerous.

Reasons it could work in theory:

  • Both teams would be trading a center so neither team would be short up front and both teams would be getting a rare gem of a player that a team could build around.

Reasons it absolutely won't happen, without any kind of form of doubt:

  • Pittsburg isn't going to part with Malkin and Buffalo isn't going to part with Myers.
  • The Sabres would instantly go from having a decent to good defense to have one of the worst back lines in the league.
  • Pittsburgh would go from having one of the deadliest offenses in the league to, well, not. They won't trade away half of the cornerstone of the franchise.
  • I don't think the fans of either team would be happy with this trade, not that that actually matters but it could play into a GM's thinking.
  • Darcy Regier.

Next up is an idea I've toyed with for a while without any real progress so I'm just going to throw it out there. It's been brought up here before how the Sabres are never bad enough to get the first or second overall selection in a draft. In fact, the last time the Sabres picked in the top 5 was in 2003 when we selected Thomas Vanek 5th overall. Other than that, the last 20 years have had one pick at 7th overall (Eric Rasmussen, 1996) and a few in the low teens. In other words, it's not like we're Pittsburgh and have the luxury of selecting our centers 1st overall, 2nd overall, and 2nd overall (not to mention their keeper was also 1st overall). But how can this really be remedied, outside of throwing a whole season? The idea would be to try and trade for Boston's 2nd overall pick they acquired from Toronto. Trading into the top two spots is near impossible but if there were ever a time to do it this might be it. Edmonton is projected by most to be taking Hall first overall meaning Seguin is likely to fall to 2nd overall. A 6'1" center being compared to Steve Yzerman would be available 2nd overall.

So what would we need to give Boston to make this happen? For starters our first round pick, 23rd overall, this year and our first round pick, again likely to be in the 20's, next year would be the base but not nearly enough to make this deal happen. Some combination of Luke Adam, Tyler Ennis, Nathan Gerbe, Zack Kassian, Chris Butler, or Mike Weber would probably be included and perhaps a few later round picks. I wonder if a package like this would work: 23rd, 68th, and 83rd overall in 2010, 1st and 3rd in 2011, Luke Adam, and Tyler Ennis for 2nd, 135th, and 195th overall 2010, and Jamie Arniel. The Bruins would be getting 5 picks all in the top 100, two of which are first rounders, as well as - well I don't have to explain to you guys what Adam and Ennis bring to the table. The Sabres would be getting the 2nd overall pick (Seguin) and two replacement picks, albeit in later rounds (5th and 7th), as well as a center prospect. Arniel (taken 97th overall in 2008) looks to be a decent player but there are injury and skating concerns and trading him for Adam would be an upgrade for the Bruins but would net the Sabres at least a decent prospect in return. The Sabres would be short on picks in 2011 (they currently have all their regular picks for that draft) but would be getting a heck of a player in 2010. 
Reasons it could work in theory:

  • Each team would retain the same number of draft picks this year.
  • By avoiding picking 2nd overall Boston could also avoid the future inevitability that Seguin would be traded away a la Thornton and Kessel.
  • The Sabres would finally have their first top two pick in over twenty years.

Reasons it absolutely won't happen, without any kind of form of doubt:

  • The Bruins aren't trading away the 2nd overall pick for anything short of an obvious steal.
  • The Sabres can't afford to give the Bruins enough to make this deal worth it for the Bruins.
  • Upon closer examination it appears this is a really bad deal for the Bruins - so anyone who has a deal that might actually make sense please speak up.

 

 

Ok, there you go. Sound off. I'll be happy to agree that many (most? all?) of these moves are highly unlikely. The Sabres have a pretty clear two year window to work with right now with Miller in his prime and Myers on his EL contract (not to mention Ennis). Now (or next year) would be an ideal time to strike. I purposely stuck to moves that had a bit more flash, avoiding the stuff Darcy is known for but feel free to add those kinds of moves in the comments. I'm hoping this time people will get into making counter offers a little more. You don't think that Malkin for Myers is a good idea but Malkin for Miller works? (bad example, I know) Well say so in the comments. Also, I'm not going to be doing any more of these so anyone who has any other ideas say so now or forever hold your piece.

Poll
Which offseason move from this edition is most appealing to you?
Trade Tim Connolly for Tomas Kaberle
15 votes
Trade Paul Gaustad, Nathan Gerbe, and a 3rd for R.J. Umberger, Matt Calvert, and a 2nd
5 votes
Trade Derek Roy / Tim Connolly, Chris Butler, and Jhonas Enroth for Brad Richards
24 votes
Sign Sergei Gonchar
7 votes
Sign Olli Jokinen
3 votes
Trade Tim Connolly and Tyler Myers for Evgeni Malkin
3 votes
Trade into Boston's 2nd overall pick
2 votes
I liked the other options better (Patrick Shark, Patrick Marleau, Dustin Byfuglien)
40 votes
I still don't like any of these options, keep the team as is
1 votes

100 votes | Poll has closed

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Not a fan of any of these moves

First of all, good thing you listed that last trade in the things that will never happen category, because it is ludicrous in my eyes, and most certainly in Darcy Regier’s eyes. Trading present talents for future talents doesn’t make much sense to me. Trading veterans for prospects and picks makes sense because you shave salary space and build for the future when your present is not good. Trading prospects for unknown draft picks doesn’t make much sense to me.
I like Brad Richards, but I don’t think all of that is worth one year of him.
Gonchar will never sign here, and frankly I’m not now, nor have I ever been a fan of his. He’s only offense and puck-moving. He is awful on the back line, IMO.
Kaberle for Connolly is an interesting idea, but as you alluded to, I don’t think Burke is going to go for that. Although the thought of having Kessel and Connolly on the same line is a scary thought (if they’re playing against us of course). Playmaking ability + breathtaking speed and finishing = nightmares for opposing defenses. I would loooove to have Kabs here, but I just don’t see it happening.
Plekanec is a nice player, but seems to me fits the mold of Connolly, Roy, etc that everyone seems to hate about this Sabres team now. He is a finesse player, and we have plenty of them in our top 6 offensively.
I like Umberger, but I REALLY like Gerbe’s potential, and don’t know much about this Calvert character. So that trade scares me. Goose is definitely overpaid, but he is a crucial cog to our team, so trading him away better return great value, which I think Umberger is. Just not sure about the extras that go with those two players in a trade.
Lastly, Jokinen is quite the conundrum. He was a star when he had no one to play with, and now that he gets talent to play with, he can’t produce. I thought he would make it big in Calgary, but that never happened. He seems out of his element playing physically like the Flames do, and that throws up a red flag for me. I want a power forward for this team that plays like one. Also, it is alarming how drastically his point and goal totals have dropped off, and I fear that he still has high value on the FA market, so he would not necessarily be worth the risk. With that being said, I am almost certain when another team picks them up, it will seem like a gamble, but he will reward them with a couple big years. We shall see.
I like that you do plenty of research trying to figure out exactly who and where we can improve our team, unlike myself who just sits back and says: we need this TYPE of player, not we need THIS player specifically. Good to know who is out there.

Fear the Grier!!!!

by willgarr15 on May 21, 2010 3:47 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree with a lot of what you’ve said here. I’ll just comment on a couple things;

I like Gerbe’s potential as well but at some point I think we’re going to have to address the fact that Roy, Ennis, and Gerbe are all tiny players. I think at some point one of them is going to have to move. Maybe not though, we’ll see.

Plekanec is, at least, less injury prone than Connolly. That to me is improvement if they’re going to put up similar point totals. That’s pretty much the sole reason I’d consider it.

I’d really love for Jokinen to come here and tear it up, but at the same time I’m really worried that he’d come here and suck. I don’t know if he has the drive we need right now. Something to consider though.

"The horse jumped over the f#@king fence."
- KV

by TEMSON on May 21, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d have to agree with you on the halflings. Hard to find a spot for all 3 in our top 6 in the future. I suppose that would leave Gerbe the odd man out with Roy’s nice contract and what Ennis has shown. I just love the way Gerbe plays like he’s 7 feet tall, even though he is far from it. Maybe it’s because I was always a smaller hockey player during my days, but always seemed to lead my team in hits…
Plekanec’s lack of injuries makes him a nice player, so I see your point there. Just seems to me that the rest of the Sabres faithful would be unhappy with him, not that that should really matter much. He would be a nice fit, if we lost Connolly or Roy.
I’m with you on Jokinen. Just too afraid he will come in at a high price and do little and play soft.

Fear the Grier!!!!

by willgarr15 on May 21, 2010 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

One way to look at the Plekanec situation is that if Montreal can’t sign him and he becomes available to us we could offer him 5 million a year and trade Connolly for Kaberle while letting both Tallinder and Lydman walk. In that scenario we’d have almost the same cap hit as we do now: +5 for Plekanec, -4.5 for Connolly, +4.25 for Kaberle, -2.9 for Lydman, -2.6 for Tallinder = net decrease of .75 million which would just about cover Butler’s or Weber’s contract to take a full time role on defense.

Our defense would be Myers – Kaberle, Rivet – Sekera, Montador – Butler, Weber filling in for Rivet at the beginning of the year. To me that makes our defense look at least as good as last year or a bit better and our top two centers being Roy and Plekanec would mean that at least there would be less in the way of injury concerns. It might not be huge but that’s improvement to me.

Plekanec is also defensively responsible and would make a line with Pommers and Hecht that would be great to play against any opposing team’s top line. I stumbled across this article today at Habs Eyes on the Prize which really illustrates my point.

"The horse jumped over the f#@king fence."
- KV

by TEMSON on May 22, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

Coupled with a Connolly-Kaberle trade it would be fantastic. Well here’s hoping…..

Fear the Grier!!!!

by willgarr15 on May 22, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kaberle for Connolly has been discussed quite a bit.

I know I’m biased (blue and white glasses on) but I think Burke would want Kaberle for Connolly+ (plus being a pick or prospect). You hit the nail on the head though, I’m not sure he’s looking for an injury-prone forward, although I like Connolly’s hands.

Burke is really going to try to sell high on Kabs, although realistically I’m sure we’ll be disappointed in the return.

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by nhlcheapshot on May 21, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

plus he didnt pick Connolly for team USA. I think he knows what kind of player he has. And it seems like Burke is trying to build his team the way he wants, with the players he wants… I dont see Timmy C fitting into his team.

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by bflo on May 21, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Burke is looking for Connolly+ in return for Kaberle we can add that to the list of reasons this trade won’t happen, I don’t see Regier going for that.

"The horse jumped over the f#@king fence."
- KV

by TEMSON on May 21, 2010 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I voted for the Roy/Butler/Enroth for Richards. That would be awesome. Richards would be a perfect fit for this team.

But my 2nd vote would have been that FA pick ups of Sharp or Marleau.

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by bflo on May 21, 2010 4:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Sharp’s not a FA, but I agree – he might be my favorite option.

"The horse jumped over the f#@king fence."
- KV

by TEMSON on May 21, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh shot thats right. We were talking about possibly shipping Staff and a pick/prospect. Thats what it was…

But yeah I would love to add a player like Sharp or Richards.

"Ok, its Gudda hoe, all about my Bills like Buffalo."

by bflo on May 21, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

plus hes been pretty good these playoffs. Hes picked up for Hossas lack of scoring. Even picking up two shortys this playoff season I think?

"Ok, its Gudda hoe, all about my Bills like Buffalo."

by bflo on May 21, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

If any player has really taken off since the last one of these though it would have to be Byfuglien who has practically over night become a premium power forward.

"The horse jumped over the f#@king fence."
- KV

by TEMSON on May 21, 2010 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

how bout svatos

how bout grabbing svatos as a UFA. he played in a defensive system and looked good on a team that was similar to the sabres. he wouldnt hurt the cap and would replace stafford on the 1st line.

did you guys all forget how well the hect connolly and pomminville line played this season. we can always hold onto connolly till trade deadline ,where a team is more likely to overpay. then ennis could fill in on that line as center. i know everyone wants a great center but i just dont see an affordable center that is gonna replace our top 2 and not totally kill our cap. is marleau worth 8mil a year? is jokinen worth 5mil a year after them there is a drop off.

i dont think we have to do too much to get back to being a elite team. we did finish well ahead of any team in our division and 1 bad bounce away from being the 2 seed. we blew 2 2goal leads in the playoffs when 4 of our top 6 fowards were seriously hurt or playing injured. in my opinion i think everyone just needs to relax.

if we got svatos tell me these lines dont look appealing

1st line -- vanek roy svatos
2nd line - hect connolly pomminville
checking line - greer kennedy kaleta
4th line -- ennis gaustad stafford
mair the 13th foward. can play either wing or center.

by 4honors on May 21, 2010 10:11 PM EDT reply actions  

I don’t know much about Svatos but it looks like he’s never played 70 games in a season and never scored more than 50 points. I’m not saying he isn’t worth considering at all – but I don’t see why we should be recruiting him for our top line. I mean, he had 11 points last year, granted in only 54 games, but that’s not exactly impressive. I also don’t see why Ennis would play on our forth line.

As for the Hecht – Connolly – Pominville line, trust me I have not forgotten. I have advocated keeping that line together numerous times. But at the same time, I think Hecht – any playmaker – Pominville will work (as you alluded to when suggesting slotting Ennis in there). Basically the line works so well because Pominville is a real shooter who needs a playmaker to pass to him and Hecht is a bigger body who’s willing to dig out pucks and go to the dirty areas. Not to mention they’re responsible defensively. The line has a little bit of everything, but I think Ennis could work on that line as well.

I don’t think people are overreacting – most of us know we have a good team here that’s ready to take the next step. The thing is, we have a unique opportunity with cap space and an elite goalie in his prime to try to acquire a big name player and make a real push for the cup. In two years Myers is going to have established himself as a premier defender in this league and we’re going to have to resign him for big money. That’s going to limit our ability to sign other players. Now is a great time to strike.

"The horse jumped over the f#@king fence."
- KV

by TEMSON on May 21, 2010 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

how bout svatos

i was simply suggesting him because he would be a bargain guy who has had success in the past and slumped the last 2 years. that could be a fluke or that could be a correlative showing of his declining ability to play in the NHL. that remains to be seen. just saying for 2mil a year its really not a big gamble. as far as picking up stempniak well i wont bad mouth a buffalo guy. all i’ll say is did he look good in the East or the West. there is a reason why he was ran outta toronto. the other 3 RW that jump out at me are Guerin, Bertuzzi, and Sykora. i would love any one of them to come in on that vanek roy line. hey it might spark a flame in staffords butt to step his game up.
all im saying is that i would ideally love to see the sabres get Marleau but name 1 time since ruff has been a head coach that we have went after the obvious choice. the last big name we picked up was Drury and he didnt really command the kind of money that marleau would. we’ve all been fans long enough to know how this organization works. kovalchuk already said he does not want to play for buffalo espicially after the way we treated his best friend afinoginov.

by 4honors on May 22, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seeing how Gonchar played (or didn’t) in that elimination game makes me cringe at the sight of his name.

by bluecollarbuffalo on May 22, 2010 8:09 AM EDT reply actions  

Here are my thoughts...

First of all, I have to toot my own horn… when I saw the matching salaries of Connolly and Kaberle back at the Trade Deadline, I started posting that trade idea on every Sabres discussion board I came across. Other parts were always tossed in (draft picks or other players… at the time, I was hoping the Sabres would add Stempniak in a package with Kaberle). I think my first thought was Connolly and Stafford for Kaberle and Stempniak, then I changed it to include a D-prospect (Sekera or Butler) and it just kept evolving to include picks and other players. Anyways, it always was with the intention of other deals being made to complement that deal. Like you mentioned, the Sabres would need to find another Center somewhere else. The player I settled on, since I’ve read for several years that Regier had an interest in him… Michal Handzus of the Kings. He wins faceoffs and scores 20+ goals per year. Our centers would be Roy, Ennis, Handzus and Gaustad. I like Gaustad on draws in our own end defending a lead, but Handzus would be an upgrade in the opponent’s end when the Sabres are down a goal or two. So here is where I am at now:

Buffalo sends Connolly and a 3rd round pick (and/or rights to Mancari) to Toronto for Kaberle.

Buffalo sends Stafford and Rivet to Los Angeles for Jack Johnson and Handzus (salary exchange is pretty close in this deal, as well).

Buffalo signs Lee Stempniak as UFA to play with Grier and Handzus on 3rd line.

If they make these moves, I would be pretty content with the offseason in general. I feel Mair’s career as a Sabre is over, Ellis and McCormick are fringe players (I think Ellis stays), and obviously Torres is history. Lydman and Tallinder? Personally, I don’t want to rock the boat with Myers so keeping Tallinder on a 2 year deal would work for me… Weber is ready to move up and he can replace Lydman’s toughness. Gragnani is also on the verge of being ready and maybe if Kaberle didn’t work out after his contract’s final year, Gragnani would be ready to move into his roster spot on the blueline.

Dream Transaction (even more so than Malkin, in my book anyways):

Trade for Jarome Iginla! If we’re going to dream, let’s dream about a player who would actually fit into Ruff’s type of system. Ruff already coached Iginla in the Olympics, so he would know how to coach to his strengths AND this guy is true blue-collar, everything Buffalo fans love about sports! He scores 35+ goals every year, drops the gloves to defend any and all of his teammates whenever necessary, scores his goals when they matter most, takes on the opponents best players and throws his body around everywhere (think Vanek + Grier combo in 1 body). A deal for Iginla would trump all other ideas in my book. He’s already said publicly that he would agree to waive his no-trade clause and the Flames are likely going to look to rebuild with overall depth. They would have to eat some salaries (Connolly, Hecht or Rivet type of contracts) in the process, so long as those players do not have long-term deals in place. Personally, I’d try to get them to take Pominville in the deal… not because I don’t like Pommer, but because he’s overpaid ($5.3 mil for 4 more years) and because you have to give up some talent to make it happen. Iginla would become an instant marketing success and pay for himself. His popularity would only be rivaled by Miller on the Sabres. He is the kind of player who would truly put them over the top… and I can’t think of another player in the NHL who I would want more on this team. Also, he would be the best possible role model for Zack Kassian. If we had to keep Connolly for another year, could you imagine him playing between Vanek and Iginla?! They’d probably split up Vanek and Iginla for 2 power lines… but the power play would be sweet! 100% No Brainer!

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by djc1877 on May 22, 2010 2:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Not that this is really relevant, since some of my ideas are far more out there than yours, but I really don’t think the Sabres are going to deal Rivet this summer. Partially because he’s in the last year of an expensive contract and will be recovering from surgery and partially because unless something changes he’s our captain. I definitely don’t think Rivet and Stafford could land us Johnson and Handzus. I mean Johnson is much younger and will soon (if not already) be far better than Rivet and Handzus is far superior to Stafford. What does LA stand to gain in that trade? An over the hill defender and a powerless power forward?

I’d love to get Iginla here, no doubt about that. Sadly it does fall into the last category of ‘never gunna happen’.

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by TEMSON on May 22, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

the past 10 years name 3 big free agent signings.

drury ( but i think we got him through a trade) spacek and rhet werner. so why do people think we are gonna get a big name player? weve all been fans long enough to know how this works in buffalo

by 4honors on May 22, 2010 8:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Nowhere have I ever said I thought we were going to get a big name player. But the organization has shown its willingness to spend to the cap when it seems we have a real shot at the cup – these next two years we will have a real shot. Now would be an opportune time to strike. Patrick Sharp, Tomas Kaberle, R.J. Umberger, and some of the other players listed here aren’t “big name” players in my book anyway – it’s certainly plausible we could end up with one of these guys.

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- KV

by TEMSON on May 23, 2010 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Does anyone know much about Martin Hanzal?

I believe he’s an RFA. If Connolly were to leave (I’m not all for getting rid of him, but with the abundance of smallish forwards and his injury record, he might be the guy) Hanzal would be a huge body to replace him. I’ve heard he doesn’t use his body enough, but he’s only 23 and bound to get better. I could picture him on a line between Pommer and Ennis, or maybe on the 3rd line with Grier.

by XXX on May 25, 2010 1:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Yes. I would love to have him. However, the Czech line(Hanzal, Prucha, Vrbata) is quite popular in pheonix, so i expect him to be resigned.

Also, by “a huge body” you mean HUGE.

In terms of RFA/UFA poaching, i think Pheonix and Chicago are great targets. (Chicago, in particular, can’t resign anyone AND has to drop 2 contracts totalling at least 6 million to either LTIR, minors, or trade.)

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by Ubiquitous on May 25, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice work here Temson. Here's some of my thoughts...

No way Connoly goes to Toronto for Kaberle. I wouldn’t be adverse to the idea at all. I just don’t think Timmy is the kind of player they are looking for.

Not crazy about the Umberger trade idea. I’ve never been a big fan of his; I think he’s soft. And I think Gerbe hands down beats Calvert by a wide margin. Now if you were to throw in the Jackets 1st rounder instead of their 2nd, I’d consider it; especially if there was a high quality caliber center on board at that spot.

I like Brad Richards a lot, but not as much as you and Tom do. That’s giving up too much for him, in my opinion. Maybe I’m wrong here – is he that good?

I’m against a Gonchar signing. Just don’t like him at all. And, I’m of the belief that we won’t need a PP QB. I’m gonna take my chance on Myers taking that role over.

Tomas Plekanec is a nice player. And I’d like to have him here, but only if the price were right. Is he really a top six forward though?

Jokinen is another player worth considering. Wasn’t there a bunch of talk (albeit from hockeybuzz) a few years back saying the Sabres had interest in him? I file him under the Plekanec category – if the price were right. I’d wager though that both of these guys get better contracts than what the Sabres would be willing to offer.

I can’t even do the math on the Malkin or Boston stuff. Way, way too out there for me to even consider.

Where is Buffalo in regard to cap space for next season? I think I saw from capgeek.com that they were about 11 under, with only 16/17 players signed for next year. Four of them will/should be contributors, and shouldn’t cost that much – Kennedy, Kaleta, Weber, and Gragnani. I’d say that eats up about 4 million. Toss in another few guys (Mair, Ellis, McCormick) and that should take away another 2 million.

In my off the cuff math, that leaves about 5 million left, minus a back-up goalie that needs to be accounted for. You want to save at least two million in space just to be on the safe side, guarding against injuries and the like. So that should leave about 2 million to add another player (note – I’m not thinking of resigning 5 or 11).

I think Rivet’s recent surgery will leave him out a little longer than most are predicting. If that’s the case, he can be placed on LTIR, and if he doesn’t come back sooner than the 1st quarter of the season, that might buy you an extra million of cap space.

Does any of this sound right – having about 3 million in cap space?

by krytime on May 25, 2010 3:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah I agree. We wont have any crazy straight out FA signings without making a trade of a player with a pretty decent sized contract. $3mil isnt enough to go after a very good to great player.

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by bflo on May 25, 2010 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think you might be right about Connolly and Toronto.

Gerbe does hands down beat Calvert but I think Umberger hands down beats Goose. I guess maybe we just disagree there.

I think Brad Richards is pretty good. He’s got 640 points in 700 career games. He’s scored 91 points twice in the last five years. I’m not really sure about Butler and think Enroth is kind of expendable with Miller in net for the forseeable future. We might be able to get more back for Enroth and that’s a legitimate concern, but beyond that I’m not going to be broken up about losing him, especially with other good looking prospects coming up.

I think Plekanec is absolutely a top 6 forward and I think if he were on a line with Pominville and Hecht it could be one of the most defensively responsible second lines in the league.

As for the cap stuff, I think you’ve overestimated a bit. Gragnani is unlikely to be playing for the big club next year (I think) so his contract won’t matter. That means Kennedy, Kaleta, and Weber will take up 3 million (maybe a touch less). Ellis plays for the league minimum and I think McCormick is back but Mair isn’t – that’s maybe another million and change. Altogether those players should probably bring the 11.25 million cap space we have down to 7 million and we’ll have 21 players on the roster. If Lalime or a replacement backup tender takes a million that leaves 6.

I think keeping 2 million in cap room for injuries is a little excessive. If you’re going to go for it you have to really go for it. Chicago had negative cap space all year. I don’t know enough about the cap to say exactly why they were allowed to spend the way they did but I do know for sure that they didn’t save any cap space in case of an injury. Anyway, if we left 1 million in cap space (which I think is actually plenty for injury call-ups) and really made a push for the cup we could have approximately 5 million to work with. If you wanted to resign 5 or 11 we could move Stafford for picks and save nearly 2 million there which would almost offset one of those salaries, be about a million short. I think the Sabres actually have quite a bit of cap space to work with – but they only really have it for the next two years at which point the Tylers are going to go from making a combined 2 million to a combined… 7 million? More? I dunno.

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by TEMSON on May 26, 2010 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sabres almost always run 7 defensemen on the roster, so you’ll need another defenseman, probably a fairly expensive one.

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by Ubiquitous on May 26, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Myers, Tallinder, Montador, Rivet, Butler, Sekera, Weber. Weber will be making less than a million.

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- KV

by TEMSON on May 26, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Tallinder isn’t signed, and hence would need to have his hypothetical contract taken off the cap space we have.

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by Ubiquitous on May 26, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you wanted to resign 5 or 10 we could move Stafford for picks and save nearly 2 million there which would almost offset one of those salaries, be about a million short.

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by TEMSON on May 26, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh, i see. You killed traded stafford. That’s where the money went.

Though, after talking with Cornelius, i think we should trade stafford for blake wheeler, who is pretty much drew stafford, bruins version. (i think he’s a year younger so he might make a few 100k less) Maybe being traded will knock some sense into those two.

Then at least we’d have a different name on the back of our lazy bum.

Also, the two tylers next contracts are likely to be in the 8 million range, i’d bet, assuming they play about as well as we think. But still, we could sign someone (like tallinder or lydman or volchenkov (that’d be weird)) for those two years.

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by Ubiquitous on May 26, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not really interested in any version of Drew Stafford at this point – though I’m obviously hoping he uses this year to prove me wrong.

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by TEMSON on May 26, 2010 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not really interested in any version of Drew Stafford at this point

That makes two of us. And if I had a split personality, they might agree with me too. But I get the feeling the organization is going to give him another shot. He’s going into another contract year at a time in his development where he should “finally get it.” I don’t know about you guys, but I want players who don’t need to be in contract year to “get it”.

by krytime on May 26, 2010 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wheeler’s a RFA anyway, so the point is moot.

He’s larger, and his idol is Thomas Vanek, so we’d have some advantages getting him to not be a lazy bum compared to drew stafford.

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by Ubiquitous on May 27, 2010 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think I can argue with you about Umberger vs Goose. I might be just as guilty as Darcy is valuing your own too much. I think Goose can bring an element to the game that Umberger doesn’t in terms of physicality, but he’s been a little too inconsistent in that regard at times over the last few seasons.

Depending on what he’d have to give up to do it, I like the idea of adding Richards and Plekanec to this roster for next season. Is it pipe dream though? That’d be about 11 million dollars in salary. You’d have to rule out signing 5 or 10, and probably get rid of Timmy and Stafford just as a start. That still leaves about 4.5 million left to go; good luck with that. Btw – what’s Richards face off numbers? I’m too lazy too look them up.

Are you sure about Mair not coming back? I wouldn’t rule that out at all (him coming back). I think I said some where before that I think 2 of these 3 will come back: Mair, Ellis, and McCormick.

I think Gragnani will make the roster as a 7th (assuming he doesn’t crap the bed in training camp). Also, I don’t see 5 or 10 being resigned.

Agree with you on the combined amount Kaleta, Kennedy, and Weber make. That sounds about right to me. And if you’re paying Miller as much as you are, you really can’t afford to have another goalie as a back-up making much more than a million, so I agree with that number too.

I think I do overestimate the importance of leaving cap room available; I’m conservative by nature when it comes to talking about money. One million for injuries is probably fine.

I don’t even wanna think about Myers’ contract in a couple of years. Will he be the next highest paid pro athlete in Buffalo history? I think that’s a safe bet.

In part three of this series, I hope you focus on teams who are in serious cap trouble (Chicago for example). See if we can add to the cap space that you and I both predict (between about 3 and 6, right?).

by krytime on May 26, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Richards is not bad on the draw, winning 51.5% last year. Getting Richards and Plekanec is doable – if extremely highly unlikely. First of all I think those two are going to make closer to 13 next year than 11 but we can settle on 12. Losing Timmy C and Stafford’s contracts would garner us 6.4, leaving approximately 5.5 to go which fits – if just barely.

Vanek (7.15) – Richards (7.8) – Kennedy (1.1)

Hecht (3.53) – Plekanec (4.2) – Pominville (5.3)

Grier (1.4) – Roy (4) – Ennis (.88)

Kaleta (.8) – Goose (2.3) – Ellis (.53)

Forwards = 38.99
Call ups – Gerbe, McCormick

Myers (1.3) – Montador (1.5)

Rivet (3.5) – Sekera (1)

Butler (.85) – Weber (.75)

Defense = 8.9
Call up – Gragnani

Miller (6.25)
Lalime (1)

Total = 55.14

In this (albeit entirely unlikely) scenario we’d have just over a million in cap space if the cap stays at 56.8 as expected. Obviously the major issue is that it leaves our defense woefully young.

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- KV

by TEMSON on May 26, 2010 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I wouldnt mind seeing McCormick play between Kaleta and Ellis. Trade Gaustad. Take his salary off and it looks a little better IMO. But rec’d for doing all that work, and because those are good lookin lines.

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by bflo on May 26, 2010 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

or hell...

Gerbe on that line at C maybe too?

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by bflo on May 26, 2010 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think Gerbe belongs there. Maybe it’s stupid but I want three guys who can drop the gloves on a forth line. Gerbe is more likely to drop a mouth guard… in order to bite his opponent in the ankles.

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by TEMSON on May 27, 2010 2:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

haha ankle biter.

I was thinking kind of the same as you were, but then thinking of how Kaleta started scoring goals last year… and it seems that someone like Gerbe is going to only help that, more than Gaustad would IMO. Theres just something I really dont like about Gooses game last year… if he can come back and play well then I’d be fine with that… just didnt see the same Goose last year.

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by bflo on May 27, 2010 8:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

He’s actually fairly beefy for a guy that is 5’6. (180 pounds!) He’s shown that though he’s not gonna fight anyone, he can perform feats of strength against much larger players (though Zdeno Chara would still throw him out of the way)

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by Ubiquitous on May 27, 2010 8:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

If Chara cant throw him around then Zdeno has some problems haha. But yes, I love Gerbes fiestiness and never-give-up mentallity.

"Ok, its Gudda hoe, all about my Bills like Buffalo."

by bflo on May 27, 2010 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m looking at the lineup you made (adding Richards and Plekanec), and even though it was a suggestion of mine, I’m not crazy about it. I’m okay with the back-end of it (that’s the way I see it playing out), but the front…meh. Maybe it’s better to grab one of the two (Plekanec), and use your resources (Timmy, Stafford, Enroth, Roy, Pirate defensemen) to bulk up the forwards in a less expensive way than Richards.

by krytime on May 26, 2010 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I still have my heart set on Patrick Sharp.

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- KV

by TEMSON on May 27, 2010 2:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Especially because if all the other teams make a secret pact to not trade for huet, the hawks have to give him away basically.

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by Ubiquitous on May 27, 2010 8:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

It doesn’t have to be secret – I wouldn’t take Huet with the contract he has.

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- KV

by TEMSON on May 27, 2010 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, but we have to stop stupid teams like the oilers from doing it, too!

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by Ubiquitous on May 27, 2010 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Haha, good point.

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by TEMSON on May 27, 2010 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

i love the line up

how are we gonna get rid of stafford and connoly? i dnt think they have any worth while trade value. i love richards even for 7.8 i just dont see it happening. how would we get him? all 4 centers would be lefties i would atleast want 1 center to be a righty. im just weird like that.

by 4honors on Jun 1, 2010 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well if this happened it would be because we shipped Connolly, Butler, and Enroth (or some similar combination) off for Richards – so that’s where Connolly’s gone.

As for Stafford he could absolutely be traded for picks if the Sabres were so inclined.

"The horse jumped over the f#@king fence."
- KV

by TEMSON on Jun 2, 2010 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, this changes things dramatically.

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by TEMSON on Jun 1, 2010 4:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Start with goaltending and build outward, Sign Biron to be our backup, he lives in the area loves Buffalo and will come cheap for a solid backup.

On Defense we MUST trade our 1st this year, Stafford and another pick or prospect(not Kassian) for Kaberle and sign him to a 4 yr extension don’t no if burke will except this but he wants a big forward who can produce some points and staffords the only one worth trading we have. Kabrle will improve our PP dramatically and will allow us to let Tallinder and Lydman go without any worries because rookies such as Weber or Gragnani can be paired with Kaberle for the year allowing them to have a solid player to make them better.
Sign Jay Mckee to a 3 yr deal for a considerably less amount then the 4 million a yr he demanded when we let him go. Mckee would be the perfect stay at home defensemen that Myers needs to play with to allow him to become more involved offensively.If not Mckee i suggest going after joe corvo to 3 yr deal. I would also waive sekera or send him to portland he never going to be a decent let alone good nhl defensemen lets be honest.

Upfront, let Mair and Ellis go now please, Mair should have been cut the second Kaleta first stepped on the ice in my opinion 3 yrs ago, the only thing he does now is take stupid penalties. Also rookies like Ennis and Kassian should play full-time, Ennis for sure after last years late call up and Kassian allows for some physical forward who can handle the puck down low. I know this make us young upfront and inexperienced but we have to change it up somehow and Darcys not going to sign Kaberle and another big name forward so lets be realistic. Trading Connolly, Roy or Pominville would be a waste in my opinion, we wont get anything but late round draft picks, no name prospects or players that will put up the same numbers as them so keep them. However, if we do have any needs come the trade deadline in March then see what we would get for one of them.

Perfect Roster in 2010-2011
Forwards
Vanek, Roy, Pomiville,
Ennis, Connolly ,Kassian,
Hect, Kennedy, Grier,
Kaleta, Gaustad Gerbe.
Defense
Myers Mckee
Butler Rivet
Kaberle Weber
Montador Gragnani
Goalies
Miller
Biron

by shBuffalofan on Jun 7, 2010 12:15 AM EDT reply actions  

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