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Was it worth it?

In these tough times for the Sabres and the fans, I thought I'd ask the question that has been on a lot of people's minds since the end of the Buffalo Sabres 2005-2007 team:  Has it been worth it, being a Buffalo sports fan?

My grandfather died late last year. Earlier that year when the Sabres were eliminated from playoff contention (and the Bills long before that), I asked him the same question. I thought I'd get the classic "Through the ups and downs of it all, no matter how many bad moments there where, the good times made up for it all" response. I was honestly surprised when he straight up told me, "No". He went on to tell me that he probably would've bought a couple more years to live had he not experienced the Bills 0-4 Super Bowl heartbreak and 38 letdown Sabres seasons, not to mention watch his Buffalo Braves NBA team fold.

Every sports team in the world has more seasons on record where they fell short, than seasons where they won it all. That's sports. The whole point of being loyal and rooting for your team no matter what, is that you won't win a championship most of the time, but once in awhile you do and when that happens you'll be able to hold your head high and say that you supported them even when they weren't winning. The trouble is, Buffalo fans can't say that. Buffalo has ZERO championships (0 for 6) in over 90 years of combined professional sports seasons. It defies all logic, and defeats the whole point of being a fan. We can't be loyal in tough times and look up at the rafters to remind ourselves that sometimes you fall short and other times you win it all. We have never had that factor. We can't be like Carolina fans and say, "Well, at least we've got one."  We can't lose in the 1st round of the playoffs this year and say, "Oh well, maybe next year we'll be the champs because it's been done before and it's not always going to be like this season."

If asked the same question, I'd also be sorry to say that no, it hasn't. There hasn't been enough good to shine through the bad.

- The Bills won the AFC Championship ONE YEAR before the league merged and started calling it the Super Bowl.

- The 0-4 Super Bowl nightmare. A football sailing just 3 feet wide would forever haunt the city.

- Even the mighty French Connection couldn't win it all.

- Probably the best pairing in NHL history, Mogilny and Lafontaine (& Hasek I think), couldn't win it all in 93/94.

- The "hardest-working" 1999 team resulted in the heartbreaking "No Goal", in brutal irony, to DALLAS, yet again.

- The 2005-06 team was the PERFECT Cinderella story, then got robbed by injuries and lost to a team with 3,000 unworthy bandwagon fans with just 18 minutes to go in game 7.

- The 2006-07 team was the greatest Sabres team of all time, but quit on eachother and lost to hated rival, Ottawa.

- The 2009-10 Sabres team blows a 13 point division lead with 2 months to go, only 10 points out of 9th spot.

 

The above points, the fact that you can't even travel to most cities and reveal where you are from without being laughed at, the fact that we can't even look back on old championships to inspire confidence, and having seen so many hated rivals smile in the joy of winning it all or laugh, gloat and celebrate the defeat of my beloved teams (I lived in North Carolina and had my heart ripped out of my chest and stomped on by gloating laughing Canes fans, a situation I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy)... has made my conclusion that, no, it hasn't been worth it. If fanship was a business relationship, the Bills and Sabres would be deemed unproductive loose ends and CUT.

I have supported this team for years, through thick and thin, but there hasn't been any reward. The Sabres big 40th Anniversary season next year will be my last season watching the Sabres, win it all or finish last. It will also be my last watching any sort of professional sports, I don't have the stomach for it. I've seen too many smiling laughing rival fans gloat and celebrate the Sabres and Bills losing. I've heard too many "wide right", "0 Cups, 0 Super Bowls", "Barfalo = losertown forever" jokes, with NO COMEBACK available to me.

I don't want to be like my grandfather who would've been able to "die in peace" as he said, had Buffalo won just once.

 

Call me bandwagon, crucify me, plan that parade and flame away, but I had to put it out there. Someone has to tell it like it is. The fans here are the best in the world and the least rewarded. I think it's a crime.

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You’re welcome to go be a fan of only the team that wins every year. I’m not sure how much fun it will be reserving your fandom for the offseason (only after you know the “right” team to root for, since that team will have just won) but knock yourself out.

Clearly you’re missing the point.

"The horse jumped over the f#@king fence."
- KV

by TEMSON on Feb 14, 2010 1:15 AM EST reply actions  

have icing explained to you every game

Haha gotta love Caps “fans”

"Hey ey ey ey"

by bflo on Feb 14, 2010 6:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Rec'd

The Caps reference alone was worth a rec. Great call.

B-B-B-Byrd Byrd Byrd, Byrd is the Wyrd!"

by willgarr15 on Feb 15, 2010 6:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes

Very much so is it worth it. I am very proud of being both a Bills and a Sabres fan with or without the titles. As for not having titles, that is obviously what we root for every year and optimistically we will get one. As far getting made fun of, who cares…I am there through thick and thin.

Get rid of the ugly slug.

by North Java Sabra on Feb 14, 2010 5:53 PM EST reply actions  

- The Bills won the AFC Championship ONE YEAR before the league merged and started calling it the Super Bowl.

- The 0-4 Super Bowl nightmare. A football sailing just 3 feet wide would forever haunt the city.

- Even the mighty French Connection couldn’t win it all.

- Probably the best pairing in NHL history, Mogilny and Lafontaine (& Hasek I think), couldn’t win it all in 93/94.

- The “hardest-working” 1999 team resulted in the heartbreaking “No Goal”, in brutal irony, to DALLAS, yet again.

- The 2005-06 team was the PERFECT Cinderella story, then got robbed by injuries and lost to a team with 3,000 unworthy bandwagon fans with just 18 minutes to go in game 7.

- The 2006-07 team was the greatest Sabres team of all time, but quit on eachother and lost to hated rival, Ottawa.

- The 2009-10 Sabres team blows a 13 point division lead with 2 months to go, only 10 points out of 9th spot.

Even after all that, we still come out and support them each and every game. At the Ralph, at HSBC. Its always rocking. Thats what its meant to be a Buffalo fan. Of course I would have loved to see a Superbowl or Cup by now, but honestly I wouldnt trade any of it. The ups and downs have made it fun, and depressing at the same time. We’ll get one one of these days, and when we do… It will all be worth it.

"Hey ey ey ey"

by bflo on Feb 14, 2010 6:28 PM EST reply actions  

If I was dying and my grandson asked me about watching sports I would tell him to get a life. Watching sports is a pass-time, a hobby, a form of entertainment. Sure, its fine to be passionate about watching sports, but its not worth investing your entire life into. I want the Sabres to win the cup, but if they don’t life goes on just like every other year. I don’t feel like I wasted anything by rooting for a team that came up short. If I didn’t think it was worthwhile, I wouldn’t waste my time with it.

by lassathrax on Feb 14, 2010 6:32 PM EST reply actions  

That is why we are fans. I remember the great moments, and unfortunately the heart-breaking ones, like they were yesterday. I can’t remember what I had for dinner last night, but I can sure tell you where I was when Pominville scored shorthanded in OT to beat the Senators in 06 (and driving 100mph to get from my house to the bar 20 miles away during intermission so I wouldn’t miss a second of the game) or what I was doing when the Bills came back against the Oilers. I would not trade being a Bills and Sabres fan for anything in the world. And one day, when one of these teams brings us a championship, I will cry like a girl and hold my head high knowing that I was a fan through it all. Every season, every heart-break, every overtime victory, every comeback….

B-B-B-Byrd Byrd Byrd, Byrd is the Wyrd!"

by willgarr15 on Feb 15, 2010 6:18 PM EST up reply actions  

but I can sure tell you where I was when Pominville scored shorthanded in OT to beat the Senators in 06

Haha at my senior prom… Me and my friend, that I transformed into a hockey/Sabres fan (thank god my GF at the time understood) ditched the resturant/dancing section of the country club it was held at and headed for the bar to watch that game. Oh memories… lol

"Hey ey ey ey"

by bflo on Feb 15, 2010 6:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Drunk somewhere

Usually watched the games at home and headed out afterward.

D.O.
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by David Oleksy on Feb 24, 2010 10:21 PM EST up reply actions  

krytime,

Thanks for understanding where my post was coming from and responding to it with a mature attitude, unlike the rest of these women who responded with hostility or took my comments completely out of context.

- Gotta love how twoeightnine can’t post a single response to any of my comments without being hostile. Maybe he needs to be on the “Prozac” he talked about, stop playing around with t-shirts and get a real job like the rest of us. “That team that blows” – Context my friend, context. “They’re tied with the defending Stanley Cup champions with a game in hand.” Yeah, where was Pittsburgh last year in January/February? And what’s this about the Caps?

“If I was dying and my grandson asked me about watching sports I would tell him to get a life.” – lassathrax Wow. (1) You clearly have a reading problem. (see: “My grandfather died late last year. Earlier that year ….. I asked him”) He passed away late in the year. When I asked him the question, it was earlier in the year. Get it? (2) So I’m spending time with my grandfather chatting about anything and everything including sports, I ask him if it was worth it being a fan of the Bills and Sabres after all these years and you think that he should have told me to get a life for asking that question? Get bent.

Ok, back to your response kry. “We can’t be loyal in tough times…” That was a little out of context as well. The full comment was: “…and look up at the rafters to remind ourselves that sometimes you fall short and other times you win it all.” I’m not suggesting we can’t be loyal in tough times, I’m not suggesting that at all. Almost the entire time has been tough. What I’m suggesting is that when times are tough, we don’t have Cup banner(s) hanging from the rafters to keep us level headed like a lot of other franchises do. Detroit has a bad season (and bad economy like us) but they can look up at the banners and shrug off a bad season like it’s nothing. We don’t have that luxury.

The Carolina comments, yeah, I hate the entire state. I lived in North Carolina during the Sabres amazing run in the 2006 Playoffs. I know a lot of people say the 07 team should’ve won it all, but there was just something about that 06 team…. it just feels like that was our shot. You couldn’t have scripted it any better. I feel like that team not going all the way somehow ripped a hole in the fabric of the universe or something because they were supposed to win it all. Like I said, it was the perfect Cinderella story. Nobody gave them a shot at finishing better than 25th, the “good days” of the franchise (97-2001) seemed to be over, everyone considers Buffalo a joke, everyone in NC took kidney jabs at me daily for being from Buffalo… and all of a sudden these guys flat out dominate everybody? It was vindicating! So when they lost to the Hurricanes while I lived there, it was a nightmare. Canes fans stomped on our throats and kicked us when we were down, it was a slaughter. My heart was already ripped out of my chest and then the Cup parade starts…. I won’t even lie, I moved away from North Carolina because I was so disgusted with the whole thing. As soon as I heard “Buffalo loses again, ha ha!” I felt a level of shame I’ve never felt in my life before. If you weren’t there at that time, as somebody from Buffalo, then you just can’t understand.

I disagree with your take on the Mogilny/Lafontaine pairing. You can’t go wrong with Pat. Too bad for those concussions though…. I thought Connolly would end the same way, but who knew he would come back, play every game and lead this team (and a large amount of the league) in points.

Now don’t get me wrong about the good times. I lived in several cities for awhile in order to “see the country”, as everybody should in their lifetime. In one of these cities I lived with a bunch of people from Buffalo. Well, we were watching the Sabres during the playoffs one year and they absolutely violated the other team, which happened to be the team from the city that I was living in at the time, and while we were high fiving each other we heard people through the walls of the apartment complex screaming in anger and breaking coffee tables, LOL! We took our license plates off our cars and took the bus to work for about two weeks, just to make sure our vehicles didn’t get vandalized.

Having said that, I stand by my statement that there still hasn’t been enough to outweigh what happened to me in NC, watching Brett Hull parade around HSBC, watching the Sens smile and giggle in HSBC after eliminating us, watching the Bills blow two MNF’s in front of the whole country to hated rivals, etc etc etc. I predicted the hostile, and frankly, hilarious comments that were posted in here as a response to my fan post, but what people don’t understand is that I would honestly sacrifice my life if it would get Buffalo a Super Bowl or Stanley Cup championship. If Gary Bettman came to my house today and said that he would fix the playoffs this year so Buffalo could win the Cup, but I would have to take a bullet in the heart as part of the deal…. I would do it. No doubt about it. I want to continue on with my career and travel and have kids and all that stuff, but I would sacrifice myself if it meant Buffalo could finally have a championship and remove the veil of shame. No hesitation.

What I’m saying is, after next year I’m closing a chapter. Contrary to the standard d-bag response of twoeightnine, the thought of being a fan of any other team has never crossed my mind. I’ve watched every game since 1995. After the Sabres 40th, I’ll end that. They call Buffalo “the most passionate fans in hockey”. When the Sabres lost in 99, I was in shock, my school work suffered. When Ottawa raped us in 07, my friends and I all took a week off from work. Hell, I moved away from North Carolina because of the 06 playoff loss. I’ll repeat that, I MOVED AWAY FROM A STATE BECAUSE OF A HOCKEY GAME. It doesn’t get any more passionate than that. Having said that, after the 40th I will retire as a fan. I’ll never root for another team. If they go to the Finals and win a Cup, I’ll be happy and hug some people in joy, but I won’t join the bandwagon and return the following year. I have one of the most difficult professions in business, but I swear, watching rival hockey teams and fans gloat just makes my skin crawl. One last season and I won’t have to see that anymore.

by Jflaskey2 on Feb 15, 2010 5:12 PM EST reply actions  

One last season and I won’t have to see that anymore.

You know you’ll be back. This is said every year, by about ever Bills/Sabres fan in the country/world. But every year they come back.

Its frustrating to be a fan of Buffalo’s two teams, it really is. But the difficulty is what makes it so great. Now I dont know if you like baseball or basketball… But i cant imagine it would be too hard to be a Lakers, Celtics, Yankee etc fan… But being a Buffalo sports fan is hard. Thats what brings us together. No need to argue with your fellow fans about things like this. And im not saying youre the only one, so dont take it like that. But we’re (Buffalo sports fan) a small community.

Sure we bitch about Ownership, players, stadiums, jerseys, hell everything. But we bitch about it together… and you wanna know why? Because we want to see a winner. Thats the bottom line… all of us want to see and be apart of that championship parade. Where we are the guys everyone is watching and in envy of. Thats why we do it to ourselves year in a year out.

My grandpa is 90 and has lived in Williamsville since he got back from WWII and hes never seen a winner either, and I every year I find myself saying… “come on win it this year, I want to have him, even more than me, see a winner” So I know where youre coming from with that part.

So the point of my rambling… Buffalo is starving for a championship. Its a hunger that is only growing. And when we get one… it will all be worth the wait.

PS. that is crazy you moved from NC when they won the cup. Such BS that 5 of our D-men go down. We were the better team… and no doubt in my mind we beat Edmonton. Staph infection for McKee will forever haunt me. And screw Brett Hull… hes an A-hole.

"Hey ey ey ey"

by bflo on Feb 15, 2010 5:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Re: "We can’t be loyal in tough times…"

Oh, I did mean to reference the entire quote there. I just didn’t copy/paste the whole thing. My bad. I understand the point about looking up to the rafters; every arena I’ve ever been in I check out what’s hanging from above. It’s like reading a mini history book on the place. And I’ll admit, Buffalo’s is not very inspiring as far as overall success goes. I just imagine what it would be like to finally see one there someday…I’m not giving up.

bflo wrote a comment from below, and I’m sorry, but I agree with it wholeheartedly:

“You know you’ll be back.”

I don’t think you can leave, or even have the choice. And this isn’t directed just at you, but at every Buffalo fan. I can honestly say that I don’t know of a friend, family member, or acquaintance who was a diehard and walked away. I think you could feign indifference for awhile, but I think you’d always come back. There’s a chance I might be wrong, as always. I just don’t think diehards can walk away.

If you’re under sixty or so and grew up in Buffalo, intrinsically there is a passion (ever so small or ever so large) built within you for one of the two teams. Even if you hate one of the organizations more than Brett Hull, you would still root for them on account of one of your friends or family members were fans, and as such you’d want them to be happy.

Let’s save the Molgilny arguments for another day. Patty was special though. If I were Galisano, I’d figure out a way to get him back involved with the organization somehow, someway.

by krytime on Feb 15, 2010 6:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I've always said that we need Pat involved with this organization. Dunno why he doesn't give it a shot.

As far as coming back goes, based on unique experiences I’ve had, I think I have enough motivation not to.

It’s not just the fact that we don’t have a championship, it’s that feeling when we have a great run… you know exactly what I’m talking about…. the feeling that we all have thinking “oh man, how’s it going to happen? when’s the floor going to drop out?”. Is it going to be a missed field goal or a puck off the pipe in the 2nd overtime? Even in 2007 when we were the best team in the league and were advancing in the playoffs, everyone was excited but at the same time we were all thinking about when the floor was going to drop out. And it did. It always does. We’ve gone into championship games with both favorites and underdogs alike, with groups of star players and groups of hard working no-names. It doesn’t matter what combination, it just never works. Detroit and Pens fans go into the playoffs thinking about the Stanley Cup parade, we go into the playoffs with fears and concerns mixed in with the hope. That’s not right.

The one thing I fear, is one championship even going to be enough? We win one Cup and that puts us in with the Canes, Lightning, Ducks club…. you need 2 to be considered a legit franchise because any team can benefit from lucky breaks (pun intended @ Carolina).

by Jflaskey2 on Feb 15, 2010 6:54 PM EST up reply actions  

From what I thought I read somewhere, Pat is a pretty busy fellow after retiring. I think he’s pretty involved in his charitable stuff, but I could be wrong. My guess is that it’d take a huge offer of some sort as well as being a perfect fit for him to get back into Buffalo hockey, whether it be front of the house or back of the house work.

we go into the playoffs with fears and concerns mixed in with the hope. That’s not right.

Agreed; it’s not right. As a community, we need to overcome this. How so? I have no idea.

One Cup, or SB, is all I need for now. I could care less what other cities think.

by krytime on Feb 15, 2010 7:07 PM EST up reply actions  

You're a brave man for posting this on the internet

This kind of topic always drags out the extremists – there doesn’t seem to be any middle ground. While I absolutely disagree with what you’re saying about being a Buffalo sports fan, I appreciate the fact that it’s brought up a lot of excellent memories and stories to remind us of why we are Buffalo sports fans in the first place.

My theory on how to deal with all the pain and heartache (borrowed from Bill Simmons) is just knowing that our greatest sports moment is still ahead of us. Red Sox fans will never have another championship as sweet as 2007, and Saints fans will never have another moment that compares to 2009 – but us, our big moment is still somewhere out there. We still get to look forward to the privilege of one day experiencing that ultimate sports joy. And that’s what keeps me going.

by Andy Boron on Feb 15, 2010 10:06 PM EST reply actions  

"Extremists" and the "middle ground"

I think I apply for the “middle ground”. I’m not calling for Ruff’s head, I’m not screaming out that the team sucks, I’m not being vulgar and I stand by my statements regardless of people like ‘twoeightnine’ predictably lashing out and/or taking things out of context. Like I said in one of the first posts I ever made here, you express any sort of opinion that goes against the grain and people want to crucify you. Unfortunately for them, I don’t turtle. Though I have noticed a number of people here actually have the brains and manners to respond intelligently.

Anyway, I was down at the Electric Building on Delaware for the New Years Eve celebration this year. Seeing so many people down there celebrating and the fireworks, I thought to myself, “This is exactly the same spot and this is exactly what it’s going to look like if the Sabres win the Cup. Only louder and with people crying in joy.” If it does end up happening, it will be the most appreciated championship in world sports history as well as the longest and happiest celebration.

by Jflaskey2 on Feb 15, 2010 10:41 PM EST reply actions  

Can’t exactly complain about people criticizing you after you say:

Call me bandwagon, crucify me, plan that parade and flame away, but I had to put it out there. Someone has to tell it like it is.

Also, I don’t now how many of the comments above I would consider “lashing out”. If you are saying that because your teams keep falling short (or worse in recent years) that you won’t be a fan anymore, then pick a team that always wins and have fun with that. That IS a bandwagon fan. If you are saying that you aren’t going to care as much anymore, but will still root for them, that’s another thing entirely. I say I’m not going to care as much about the Bills, but come free agency and draft time, I’ll be there. And you know what, I’m glad I am b/c sports is a diversion from the stresses of my life and I enjoy watching them, talking about them, and rooting for my favorite teams. That’s what its all about. I also look forward to passing that along to my kids.

Oh, and the Super Bowls, while crushing were still pretty awesome. The only thing I would trade those 4 Super Bowl losses for is 4 Super Bowl wins. I don’t need a championship, I just want a lot of wins and that team provided many a happy Sunday to me.

by bluecollarbuffalo on Feb 16, 2010 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

You’re right about my comment, I read your post too quickly and got the wrong impression. I can be a d-bag sometimes. Still though, the rest of my comment stands. I can only invest so much in sports. When my team loses, I just move on.

by lassathrax on Feb 16, 2010 9:11 AM EST reply actions  

Dude, this site is not about trying to “crucify” people for expressing opinions that go against the grain but if you’re going to say something that doesn’t make sense people are going to tell you it doesn’t make sense. Why would you go on a site featuring some of the most avid Sabres fans and say we should stop being fans? If you don’t want people to disagree with you – don’t post things that they’re obviously going to disagree with. There’s a difference between an opinion that goes against the grain (I think trading Roy would be a bad idea) and an “opinion” that doesn’t make sense (we should stop being fans because it isn’t worth it).

Show me an instance where someone from this board has “crucified” you about an opinion that wasn’t purposefully designed to draw ire and I’ll admit I was wrong. But until then, I think the people on this site are far nicer than you give them credit for. I think you’d know that if you weren’t just proliferating tension and drama.

"The horse jumped over the f#@king fence."
- KV

by TEMSON on Feb 20, 2010 10:15 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

That's your loss I guess

I guess I try to look at this from a “martyr” type of view. I am in my mid 40’s and haven’t lived in Buffalo for 17 years. When people ask me “where are you from?” I still say I’m from Utica but originally from Buffalo. I will be a Bills and Sabres fan no matter what. No matter how bad we are. I guess it’s a loyalty thing. I’ve lived in a few other states myself. The year the Bills were 1 and 12 or something like that. I was in college. My roommate wanted to watch Miami, I said I’ll arm wrestle you for the tv. I won and the Bills won their only game that year against Dallas. I still get a sick feeling when someone mentions the name Steve Grogan or Brett Hull. I guess what I’m trying to say is be proud of the fact that you are a Buffalonian no matter what the teams do. I wish I had the time to get back there more often.

by danabob on Feb 23, 2010 1:21 PM EST reply actions  

Brett Hull seriously bothers me, too. I definitely think that, no matter what, it is worth it.

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