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Spinning the NHL Wheel of Justice: Clarke MacArthur

Buffalo Sabres left winger Clarke MacArthur, right, checks on Edmonton Oilers left winger Liam Reddox after checking him hard into the boards during the third period of the NHL hockey game in Buffalo, N.Y., Wednesday, Nov. 11, 2009. Sabres'  MacArthur was given a five-minute boarding penalty and a game misconduct for the hit.  Buffalo won 3-1.(AP Photo/Don Heupel)

Don Heupel - AP

2 months ago: Buffalo Sabres left winger Clarke MacArthur, right, checks on Edmonton Oilers left winger Liam Reddox after checking him hard into the boards during the third period of the NHL hockey game in Buffalo, N.Y., Wednesday, Nov. 11, 2009. Sabres' MacArthur was given a five-minute boarding penalty and a game misconduct for the hit. Buffalo won 3-1.(AP Photo/Don Heupel)

The Clarke MacArthur hit is the major debate here in Buffalo as well as in Edmonton.  Over at Copper and Blue, they are calling for a minimum ten game suspension which makes sense because it was an Edmonton player who was injured.  Here, most of our readers believe that MacArthur should not have been given the five minute major but rather two or less.  The question is what will the league think about the hit?

For those that haven't seen the video, here it is:

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The two coaches have differing opinions on the severity of the hit:

"It's really just a hockey play," Ruff said. "Clarke's leaning on him, trying to get position, and his legs got tangled up. It's a tough call. I understand why they called it because of how [Reddox] went [into the boards], but there's no intent."

Said Quinn: "He knew exactly what he was doing. He puts his elbow right on his head as he's falling. But the league? Who knows?"

Obviously these two coaches are going to have differing opinions.  The thing that bothers me with Quinn's statement is that if he watched the tape again, he would notice that MacArthur's elbow was on Reddox's back as compared to his head.

What you should notice when watching the video is that obviously the hit is very awkward.  Both players are fighting for the puck and both are starting to go down as they approach the boards and while MacArthur does shove Reddox both players are losing their balance which cause both players heading toward the boards.  

There was no intent to the play and that can be shown by the reaction afterwards.  MacArthur doesn't get up and skate away but instead attempts to make sure that Reddox is alright.  If there was blatent intent on the play, we would not have seen a reaction like that. 

The five minute major and game misconduct were warranted though.  MacArthur should have attempted to slow up just due to the fact that Reddox had his back to the play.  The major and misconduct suggests that the league will look into suspending MacArthur for the hit and with the inconsistency in NHL suspensions we cannot specifically determine how long it is going to be for.  Most likely, MacArthur will receive a game and at most two due to the fact that Reddox was injured on the play, MacArthur is not a repeat offender and that there did not appear to be intent on the play.  

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After watching it live and replays multiple times...

I believe its pretty obviously intent was not there on Mac’s behalf. He went down to him as soon as he hit the boards and looked concerned. Mac’s right leg clearly starts to lose an edge when Reddox cuts in front of him. It throw Mac off balance and he leans on him and they both go down. Its a shame it happened close to the boards because if this play was center ice we wouldnt be having this conversation.

I still think Mac will be suspended. Probably 2-3 games. Dont agree with it, but I wouldnt be surprised or mad if it happened.

…And I can see where Oilers fans are coming from because chances are if this was the other way around we would be calling for a dirty hit/suspension/ fine as well, but thats homer bias.

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by bflo on Nov 12, 2009 1:32 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

And I can see where Oilers fans are coming from

Not to mention the amount of man-games they’ve lost already this year. Wasn’t it something ridiculous like in the 90’s? Though I’m not sure I’d agree with a suspension, I also don’t think I’d contest it much either (assuming 2-3 games, if he gets the 10 that they are asking for over at C&B, I’d have a problem with it).

I’m sure I speak for all of us, though, when I say that I hope Reddox has a speedy recovery. It always sucks to see a player go down, no matter what the circumstances.

by The Burl 8 on Nov 12, 2009 1:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah it was a crazy number I believe in the 90’s. They gotta have the… jesus another player down… feeling like us in the playoffs 4 years ago (last year with the red & black)

yeah if its the 2-3 games I wouldnt have much of a problem with but 10 games is outrageous. If I recall didnt that D-men from Nashville only get 6 games for sucker punching Spacek after the play?

This was not a dirty or maliticous(sp?) hit, but because of where it was on the ice it made it seem alot worse than it was. Seems like a wrong place at the wrong time kinda thing. And yes nothing but best wishes for his recovery. At least he didnt need assistance like a stretcher or board to take him out on.

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by bflo on Nov 12, 2009 1:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Tootoo i think it was?

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by bflo on Nov 12, 2009 2:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, it looks like Mac is expecting to go shoulder to shoulder with Reddox only to discover his back. I would say 2 games. In my opinion, the NHL has been all over the place in terms of suspension lengths.

by Sn1perX on Nov 12, 2009 2:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Its the spinning wheel of justice over there at NHL, Inc. I was really looking for either intent or just recklessness on the play. I see as just a bad play with bad consequences not something overly reckless or with an intent to injure. Clark didn’t skate full force across the ice and/or lead with his elbow into the head, it was jostling for the puck and both went into the boards wrong. Can’t wait to see what the wheel says this one will be penalized for.

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by Blackcapricorn on Nov 12, 2009 3:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If Mac gets any suspension at all it will be uncalled for and boil down to punishing the result, not the play. “I didn’t think I even leaned on him that hard, he just went in so quick…” Mac’s response pretty much sums it up.

Unfortunate result but no grounds for suspension.

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by TEMSON on Nov 12, 2009 3:41 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Absolutely

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by willgarr15 on Nov 12, 2009 6:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I hate that I’m a Buffalo fan, because I realize that my opinion seems bias (I also hate that I’m a Buffalo fan for many other obvious reasons). Nevertheless, I don’t think the play warrants any suspension. Both players were going for the puck. At the last moment, and very quickly, Reddox dives in front of Mac to clear the puck. He really did put himself in a terrible position. I’m not blaming him though, he was going balls out to clear the puck. He made a great play to get on it so quickly, it was just unfortunate that Mac was right there on him. Common sense should prevail. Quinn is senile old meat head. I don’t think he has good enough eyesight to identify Mac in a lineup. Pretty quick to throw a dumb statement out like that. There’s a guy who speaks after using his brain………. NOT! Also, and most importantly, I hope Reddox is okay. Go Sabes!

by KTyczka on Nov 12, 2009 5:33 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

No suspension

This is absolutely absurd. If you look at the replay, Reddox was turning in an awkward fashion and was practically falling when MacArthur “leaned” on him. He barely touched him. Just because a player gets injured does not make it a major penalty or a suspendable offense. Should not have even been a major in my mind. It was only called boarding because Reddox fell funny and went flying head-first into the boards. Mac barely touched him and he was bound to go into the boards regardless. He leaned on a player that was 4 feet from the boards. Plays like this happen every shift and even worse hits occer all the time. Clearly Mac felt bad about it because he went right to the kid to see if he was alright. If he gets suspended it will be an absolute joke. Maybe I just hate referees and penalties altogether, but I didn’t even think he deserved to go to the box. And if we weren’t so badass at killing penalties it probably would have cost us the game for that ridiculous major call.

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by willgarr15 on Nov 12, 2009 6:15 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

If CMac gets a suspension over this...

…then the Sabres should be showing the Chris Neil hit on Drury three years ago and ask why neither a suspension or even a penalty was given for the hit. This is far less flagrant than the hit Alexander Ovechkin gave on Daniel Briere where he got a match penalty but avoided suspension.

If CMac gets suspended it will not be because of the severity of the hit or the intent to injure…it will be because of the color of his jersey.

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by Calvert on Nov 12, 2009 7:41 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I see nothing wrong with that hit. They got tangled up, absolutely no intent as people have said.

And I’m not a Sabres fan.

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by kentcheesehead on Nov 12, 2009 7:50 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Wow...

Buffalo fans sure are blind.

I don’t know how you can view this in any other way other than Mac trying to hurt the opposing player. Hitting a player from behind directly into the boards is the definition of dirty. I’m all for the 10 game suspension.

by TrentEdwardsHoF2018 on Nov 12, 2009 11:10 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

When the guy dives in front of him, what is he supposed to do?

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by David Oleksy on Nov 12, 2009 11:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Take a look at the replay. The injured player had perfect balance until McCarther tried to paralyze the guy.

Leave the homerism at the door. The play was dirty. You would all be going nuts if the situation was reversed. I wont forget what McCarther did. No one else in the league will either.

by TrentEdwardsHoF2018 on Nov 13, 2009 6:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Perfect Balance yes

but he lowered his shoulder and stepped in front of MacArthur just a couple feet from the boards. At what point do we blame the victim for putting himself in that position? This has nothing to do with homerism. I have been very consistent in my belief that players are trying to get an edge by putting themselves in a position to draw a penalty.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJLFQxbWYE4

The video of Kaleta is the perfect example of this. I felt the same way when that hit was made as I do now. That hit drew a two minute penalty and no suspension by the way.

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by David Oleksy on Nov 13, 2009 6:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, hitting a player in the back in to the boards is the definition of dirty. But, you know, I would barely qualify this as a hit. They were both going balls out to the puck and both seemed to be a little off balance. Mac started to lose his balance and leaned on Reddox. A bit reckless (on both parts), very unfortunate, not dirty. No suspension.

by The Burl 8 on Nov 13, 2009 7:40 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic or have some sort of vision impairment.

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by TEMSON on Nov 13, 2009 12:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

no intent.

Clarke is not that kind of guy. He wouldn’t try to injure someone like that. As he started to make his move, Reddox started to go down. It would’ve been a normal check otherwise. Clarke obviously was worried from the get-go and made sure Reddox was alright. I think the NHL will hand down a two game suspension. Reddox knew Clarke was there and knew he was going to get checked but just lost an edge and couldn’t take the check correctly, in my opinion from watching the game and all the replays.

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by BenAllen on Nov 13, 2009 12:55 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

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